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I have a Ninja 650 now... power-wise ~30-40HP off of a "true" 600. In the twisties it has more than more than enough power. Its more important attribute there is good fueling and smooth throttle response. On the highway with a fairing it will easily + comfortably cruise (not scream/top out) at 100, 110, 120 etc. Around town the only things quicker off the line are other motorcycles. I plan on making a lateral move to an SV650 and hopefully riding that forever. Someone on a YT video I recently watched put it perfectly- a liter bike on the street is like a 30" dick. Where are you ever even gonna use half of it? Couple that with the higher running costs (insurance, fuel) and the fact that many of them are theft magnets... it's just not worth it to me. My 650 doesn't scare me anymore (a good reason why they are not good beginner bikes) but I can't remember the last time it bored me or made me want more power. Especially since putting a fairing back on it. I like the SV more though because it sounds like sex, takes better to mods (i.e. overbore pistons, suspension upgrades) and has a stock half fairing.
post #3122 of 4353
I think those new honda 500s will be less rev-happy than your future bikes if you aim to take it to the track.

For that reason, I wonder if the ninja 250 wouldn't be a good bike to start with. It will get you used to keeping the engine revved up into the power band (since there's not much power to work with) which should translate well to future track time on something like a CBR600. The ninja redlines at something like 14-15k while the honda 500s only go to 8.5k.

At the same time, the 500 might not be a terrible choice. I've obviously never ridden one, but if they've got a long, smooth, power band, they are going to be a pretty forgiving bike and you might want to keep it longer than the ninja 250. They sound like awesome bikes and I might want one myself in the future...but if your plan is to move into a real sportsbike after you get your bearings, then I think you would be better suited by learning how to push the ninjette to its limits and then stepping up.
post #3123 of 4353
Good points. I hadnt considered the thinking about the powerband.

My only reservation with the 250 bikes is that around here I am need to use major highways before I can get to any decent routes for riding.
post #3124 of 4353
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Originally Posted by Pennglock View Post

Good points. I hadnt considered the thinking about the powerband.

My only reservation with the 250 bikes is that around here I am need to use major highways before I can get to any decent routes for riding.

I mean, if you end up loving the 500, or want to switch to some other lower revving bike (a ducati monster rev limiter kicks in at like 9k), that consideration doesn't matter as much. Its just that if you plan to switch to some 4-cyl supersports bike that revs ultra-high...you might as well have gotten used to the high revs.

The 250 can still take you down a highway. It will just be revved kind of high and maybe not that comfortable. You might also consider the new 300...its got more power and still revs high (just not as available on the used market yet).
post #3125 of 4353
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Originally Posted by Pennglock View Post

Good points. I hadnt considered the thinking about the powerband.

My only reservation with the 250 bikes is that around here I am need to use major highways before I can get to any decent routes for riding.


250s are highway legal and can hit over 110 mph with a decent tailwind

post #3126 of 4353
Ok folks, got the temp liscense in hand and am signed up for the MSF course. Let another money-pit hobby begin!
post #3127 of 4353
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I think those new honda 500s will be less rev-happy than your future bikes if you aim to take it to the track.

For that reason, I wonder if the ninja 250 wouldn't be a good bike to start with. It will get you used to keeping the engine revved up into the power band (since there's not much power to work with) which should translate well to future track time on something like a CBR600. The ninja redlines at something like 14-15k while the honda 500s only go to 8.5k.

At the same time, the 500 might not be a terrible choice. I've obviously never ridden one, but if they've got a long, smooth, power band, they are going to be a pretty forgiving bike and you might want to keep it longer than the ninja 250. They sound like awesome bikes and I might want one myself in the future...but if your plan is to move into a real sportsbike after you get your bearings, then I think you would be better suited by learning how to push the ninjette to its limits and then stepping up.

250 is definitely better for starting with on the track since you really learn how to carry speed through curves better. But on the highway, absolutely brutal buzzing to get to speed.

Why not an SV650? Good street bike, good track bike.
post #3128 of 4353
Almost twice the hp and tq as the 250s. Consensus Ive seen on forums is that power might be a handful for someone who's never sat on a bike.
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Almost twice the hp and tq as the 250s. Consensus Ive seen on forums is that power might be a handful for someone who's never sat on a bike.

 

What do you think is your personal style?  What kind of riding do you envision yourself doing?  How tall are you? That will help us find the perfect first (or second...or third...or fourth) bike for you

 

 

Kawasaki KLX250SF -  great if you live mostly comute or live in/near an urban environment and can't see yourself taking long trips very often

 

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2010models/2010-Kawasaki-KLX250SFd.jpg

 

 

Honda Rebel 250 - these have been around forever and can be had for peanuts.  They don't make much power though

 

http://autobikegallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/2013-Honda-Rebel-250-CMX250C-black.jpg


Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 7/18/13 at 11:25am
post #3130 of 4353
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Almost twice the hp and tq as the 250s. Consensus Ive seen on forums is that power might be a handful for someone who's never sat on a bike.

 

I learned on a 1203cc 93hp buell last summer. I would get an SV650 or a 500 and skip the 250 step altogether. But others think that's foolish.

post #3131 of 4353
I started out on a ratty VFR800 with a bent frame - didn't kill myself. Had a Ninja 250 for a while, but just found it too annoying to ride. Bought a Multistrada 1200 which i only sold when I left California (IMO there is no bike that even comes close to how perfect that bike is).

It all depends on what your personality is like. If you are 16-24 or so and like to speed a lot in a car and generally weave through traffic, then (1) don't get a bike because you are an asshole and (2) if you get a bike, get an underpowered 250 to get you by until you grow up. If you are the kind of person who is buying a 250 because you are very safety conscious and don't want to over-buy, then you can probably get an SV650 and just be responsible about it. Basically the people who should start on Ninja 250s are the ones least likely to do so.

I'd buy an SV650 and have someone chip it downward in power rather than flipping a 250 after a year or so if I was really concerned. I wouldn't buy a fully-faired bike because bike plastic is expensive.
post #3132 of 4353
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

What do you think is your personal style?  What kind of riding do you envision yourself doing?  How tall are you? That will help us find the perfect first (or second...or third...or fourth) bike for you

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Kawasaki KLX250SF -  great if you live mostly comute or live in/near an urban environment and can't see yourself taking long trips very often

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2010models/2010-Kawasaki-KLX250SFd.jpg



Honda Rebel 250 - these have been around forever and can be had for peanuts.  They don't make much power though

http://autobikegallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/2013-Honda-Rebel-250-CMX250C-black.jpg

Well...I think our suggestions were based on the fact that he sold his track car and wanted to get in to motorcycles to replace that smile.gif Something tells me a Rebel isn't what he is looking for.
post #3133 of 4353
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Originally Posted by akatsuki View Post

I started out on a ratty VFR800 with a bent frame - didn't kill myself. Had a Ninja 250 for a while, but just found it too annoying to ride. Bought a Multistrada 1200 which i only sold when I left California (IMO there is no bike that even comes close to how perfect that bike is).

It all depends on what your personality is like. If you are 16-24 or so and like to speed a lot in a car and generally weave through traffic, then (1) don't get a bike because you are an asshole and (2) if you get a bike, get an underpowered 250 to get you by until you grow up. If you are the kind of person who is buying a 250 because you are very safety conscious and don't want to over-buy, then you can probably get an SV650 and just be responsible about it. Basically the people who should start on Ninja 250s are the ones least likely to do so.

I'd buy an SV650 and have someone chip it downward in power rather than flipping a 250 after a year or so if I was really concerned. I wouldn't buy a fully-faired bike because bike plastic is expensive.

I think its true that you don't *need* to start out on a 250 (my bike is a 400...although I suspect a new ninja 250 is 10x faster than a 30-year-old 400). But Most people would agree that a something like a CBR600 or equivalent is not a great bike to learn on.

I think that what most people are saying is that if the end goal is track riding a super sport bike like that, then a ninja 250 is going to make you a better rider for that style of bike. and 250 to 600 is probably an easier and cheaper upgrade path than having an SV650 or CBR500, deciding it doesn't have quite enough power on the track, and then making a smaller scale upgrade to a much higher revving bike.
post #3134 of 4353
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Well...I think our suggestions were based on the fact that he sold his track car and wanted to get in to motorcycles to replace that smile.gif Something tells me a Rebel isn't what he is looking for.

 

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Is that Billy Joel's garage?

Q for anyone- I recently sold my track car and want to take up moyorcycles. Thinking about one of those new 500cc honda cbrs to learn on. Any reason that wouldnt be a good move?

 

 

http://cdn.wl.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/homer_bush_gif.gif

 

 

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I think its true that you don't *need* to start out on a 250 (my bike is a 400...although I suspect a new ninja 250 is 10x faster than a 30-year-old 400). But Most people would agree that a something like a CBR600 or equivalent is not a great bike to learn on.

I think that what most people are saying is that if the end goal is track riding a super sport bike like that, then a ninja 250 is going to make you a better rider for that style of bike. and 250 to 600 is probably an easier and cheaper upgrade path than having an SV650 or CBR500, deciding it doesn't have quite enough power on the track, and then making a smaller scale upgrade to a much higher revving bike.

 


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