It's over 50 degrees on Long Island today. Seems like a good day for a ride on the Nortons.
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I used them on the street and then for racing sidecars where flexibility is most important as I was the monkey. When I added the gp bike to the mix I figured I'd ride with them until I found something better. Lesson learned.
The gloves were Alpinestars GP-Pros. I don't think anything could have prevented that injury as my finger was trapped between the bar and the pavement, which, at the time, was a sea shell composition. It obliterated tires. It did worse things to fingers. Roebling has since been repaved. I hate that track. Always have, always will. I've seen some nasty, nasty accidents there.
GP Pros are pretty highly rated too. Hell I have..err...had a pair. Had a pair of Helds as well (sold both)
Actually I do know what I am talking about. I have witnessed way too many high speed as well as low speed motorcycle crashes in my time (crotch rockets & cruisers) to know what actually works and what just looks cool off the bike.
The only protection those boots offer is some abrasion resistance (but since teh leather is not reinforced who knows how much) as they might stay on your foot in a slide. Emphasis on the word "might", esp with that weak velcro you complained about. Again - teh same protection that a high top sneaker will provide: practically none. And the idea of replacing the velcro with snaps on is just idiotic to say the least. What's your next move? Take some of that pesky insulation out of your helmet so it will breathe better?
Dress for the ride, bring along a change for after the ride is my motto. If you want to limp for the rest of your life in the event of a mishap that is your prerogative. But don't try to sell that snakeoil to others who may not know any better.
AFAIK boots that offer substantial protection protect against:
These boots appear to be made of a single layer of unpadded, unarmoured and non-reinforced leather. What is the leather stitched with? Have you ever seen what happens to a leather shoe/boot that is stitched with regular nylon threads upon impact with the ground? I have. The shoe flies apart. Think of a bird that is hit midair by a car. Just like that.
These boots also have vibram soles. Do you realize that too much grip is a bad thing? Want to know why? Because in the event of a slide, the sole will grip causing you to tumble. Tumbling is one of the causes of broken bones (in addition to impact)
As far as I can see these offer minimal protection, no different than riding in securely fastened Timberland boots or high top sneakers. Don't get me wrong - they look cool...really cool. Just as I used to be cool when I rode in high top Reebok pumps (dating myself), boat shoes or Frye Harness boots. I know better now. However I have read every single page of this thread and there are a lot of people here who don't know anything about gear and might actually listen to and believe you regarding the relative safety of these boots
BostonHedonist in his post about the Gasolina Shortcuts clearly stated
And then he stated
The one major drawback is that for the same price you can probably get some boots with REAL protection. While these are a step up from what I was using before, their ability to protect ends at pipe heat, road debris and maybe a medium-speed slide. But if you've got a little daredevil in you and might be at risk for high-speed incidents, I'd recommend something much more protective.
Anyways, that's my two cents.
He was quite clear that they provided little protection. When he mention Bates Fast Lane boots, EgliComet let him know they were not solid boots at all to which he replied
Contrast that with you repeatedly stating that the Chippewas provide "substantial protection". See the difference? Seeing you are adamant that they provide "substantial protection" please share with us your definition of the term substantial protection