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post #61 of 69
6/21/09 at 5:37pm
I couldn't even imagine being on a flight with smoking. I'm glad I don't live in that day. Flights can be long enough as it is. Whew!
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post #62 of 69
6/21/09 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by blackplatano View Post
What would be the economic point for the airline industry to get behind this? It's not like smokers won't fly if they can't smoke.
Taking business away from other airlines? It will never happen, but there are some incentives.
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post #63 of 69
6/21/09 at 7:10pm
Double-decker plains could be reconfigured to accommodate smokers, possibly. As a (mostly) non-smoker, I'd definitely not fly an international airline that allowed smoking, unless the smokers were segregated in a different part of the plane with different filtering.

But given that so many (US residents, at least) are used to not being able to smoke on long flights I'm not sure that enough people would pay extra for the seats to make it worth any extra cost. Plus, workplace laws could create difficulties - would the flight attendants have to go into the smoking cabin? What if the flight is landing in a state that doesn't allow smoking in the workplace, like California? Could they set up the area like a cigar bar, which is exempted in some states, making passengers buy membership in the cigar bar?

The article itself is suggests the author had a point he wanted to make and couldn't make it logically, but wanted to make it anyway. Fail.
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post #64 of 69
6/21/09 at 11:51pm
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Double-decker plains could be reconfigured to accommodate smokers, possibly. As a (mostly) non-smoker, I'd definitely not fly an international airline that allowed smoking, unless the smokers were segregated in a different part of the plane with different filtering.

But given that so many (US residents, at least) are used to not being able to smoke on long flights I'm not sure that enough people would pay extra for the seats to make it worth any extra cost. Plus, workplace laws could create difficulties - would the flight attendants have to go into the smoking cabin? What if the flight is landing in a state that doesn't allow smoking in the workplace, like California? Could they set up the area like a cigar bar, which is exempted in some states, making passengers buy membership in the cigar bar?

The article itself is suggests the author had a point he wanted to make and couldn't make it logically, but wanted to make it anyway. Fail.

It's not really up to the airlines.
US Federal law prohibits smoking on any flights within, into, or out of the USA.
Many other countries have similar laws.
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post #65 of 69
6/22/09 at 12:02am
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It's not really up to the airlines. US Federal law prohibits smoking on any flights within, into, or out of the USA. Many other countries have similar laws.
Re: my first point, I should have clarified; I'm about to move overseas, and am not sure that all the airlines out there flying within/among other countries have the same rules. Re: my second point, it's true there are federal laws, but it's an interesting academic exercise, in my opinion, to think about what would happen if the law were removed. Some appear to blame the government's rules for punishing smokers, but even without the federal laws (or even the state laws I referenced above), I'm not sure that at this point anything would change. Not sure if there's enough economic incentive there at this point.
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post #66 of 69
6/22/09 at 1:04am
I quit smoking in 1975 but remember smoking on airplanes. There were two systems to where you could smoke depending on the airline. You could smoke in the back x number of rows and not the front or you could smoke on the row of seats on left side of the plane but not the right side. Brilliant!
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post #67 of 69
6/22/09 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by MsMcGillicuddy View Post
Re: my first point, I should have clarified; I'm about to move overseas, and am not sure that all the airlines out there flying within/among other countries have the same rules.

Re: my second point, it's true there are federal laws, but it's an interesting academic exercise, in my opinion, to think about what would happen if the law were removed. Some appear to blame the government's rules for punishing smokers, but even without the federal laws (or even the state laws I referenced above), I'm not sure that at this point anything would change. Not sure if there's enough economic incentive there at this point.

Virtually all flights are non-smoking nowadays.
Even Aeroflot went non-smoking.

Also, there are only two double decker airliners out there. The 747 and A380.
A long time ago, the 747 upper decks were set up with lounges. But those have long since been replaced my more seats.
I remember reading something about a plan to set up smoking lounges in A380s but at this point, A380s are only operated by Emirates, Singapore and Qantas. Singapore and Autstralia both have non-smoking laws governing flights.

Airlines actually like non-smoking flights. They don't have to pipe as much fresh air in to the cabin.
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post #68 of 69
6/23/09 at 3:26am
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Originally Posted by zippyh View Post
Virtually all flights are non-smoking nowadays.
Even Aeroflot went non-smoking.

Also, there are only two double decker airliners out there. The 747 and A380.
A long time ago, the 747 upper decks were set up with lounges. But those have long since been replaced my more seats.
I remember reading something about a plan to set up smoking lounges in A380s but at this point, A380s are only operated by Emirates, Singapore and Qantas. Singapore and Autstralia both have non-smoking laws governing flights.

Airlines actually like non-smoking flights. They don't have to pipe as much fresh air in to the cabin.

Q.E.D.
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post #69 of 69
9/6/09 at 8:46am
In 2002, I flew from Havana to Madrid on Air Europa. Smoking was still allowed at that time on EU carriers. It was fun to see everyone in the smoking section with a Cuban cigar in their mouths. The cigars must have helped to make up for the airline's bad service.
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