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post #46 of 58
Quote:
Originally Posted by j
Um.. wow.

Wow.

Fok?

Well, I know for certain that that is not the same belt as the EG belt, unless they both use the same manufacturer, having the belt made to the specifications (leather grade, etc...) It's doubtful that the belt shown is bridle leather, 1) because it is a selling point and 2) because I've been unable to source bridle leather belts even in the States (where things are considerably cheaper.) to make the retail that low. If this is a direct manufacturer to customer business, (I don't know the company) maybe it is possible. In any case, this does provide a nice, inexpensive alternative to the Engineered Garments belt for those who like the look but don't want to shell out big bucks.

I haven't seen this belt, but I would bet that it's like a pair of Uniqlos vs. a pair of APCs, cosmetically similar, but upon close inspection, the construction and denim of one is definitely superior to the other. Whether the better quality merits the jump in price is a judgement call.
post #47 of 58
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Originally Posted by LA Guy
Well, I know for certain that that is not the same belt as the EG belt, unless they both use the same manufacturer, having the belt made to the specifications (leather grade, etc...) It's doubtful that the belt shown is bridle leather, 1) because it is a selling point and 2) because I've been unable to source bridle leather belts even in the States (where things are considerably cheaper.) to make the retail that low. If this is a direct manufacturer to customer business, (I don't know the company) maybe it is possible. In any case, this does provide a nice, inexpensive alternative to the Engineered Garments belt for those who like the look but don't want to shell out big bucks.

I haven't seen this belt, but I would bet that it's like a pair of Uniqlos vs. a pair of APCs, cosmetically similar, but upon close inspection, the construction and denim of one is definitely superior to the other. Whether the better quality merits the jump in price is a judgement call.

Its funny actually, cos I found that belt myself on Google. I decided to order one today.

LA Guy, I have to say this in a friendly way, but you are being a snob. The belts are both made in England - after a bit of research while looking for this style belt, it seems that this is indeed an "old fashioned" English military style belt that has been in existence and production since around the WWs.

Another point. Good quality (mid price) belts made in England from smaller brands / artisans etc are commonly made from Bridle Leather, so this is not really that an exclusive a leather. (Certainly not to charge what E.G are charging)

If you look at the buckle and the metal 'belt loop' you will even notice they have the same sort of 'pineapple' logo are whatever it is. Do you really think Engineered Garments have commissioned an entirely new belt - or is it more likely they are using exactly the same belt from the English supplier and simply selling it as an E.G belt? (not that there is anything 'wrong' with this, it happens all the time with designer brands)

When I get the belt sometime next week due to British Bank Holidays, I will report back on the quality.

But seeing as they are both made in the UK, I am willing to bet they are probably identical and from the same supplier.

Just because something is cheaper financially, does not mean it is cheaper in terms of quality.

I'm like the next guy on here who is *sometimes* willing to pay for a bit of prestige and buy a 'designer' label, but when I can get the exact same thing (and seemingly by matter of deduction, made by the same supplier) without the 'brand' and much cheaper, I am not so daft as to think the one with the brand on the label is the 'better' one.
post #48 of 58
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedwards
Its funny actually, cos I found that belt myself on Google. I decided to order one today.

LA Guy, I have to say this in a friendly way, but you are being a snob. The belts are both made in England - after a bit of research while looking for this style belt, it seems that this is indeed an "old fashioned" English military style belt that has been in existence and production since around the WWs.

Another point. Good quality (mid price) belts made in England from smaller brands / artisans etc are commonly made from Bridle Leather, so this is not really that an exclusive a leather. (Certainly not to charge what E.G are charging)

If you look at the buckle and the metal 'belt loop' you will even notice they have the same sort of 'pineapple' logo are whatever it is. Do you really think Engineered Garments have commissioned an entirely new belt - or is it more likely they are using exactly the same belt from the English supplier and simply selling it as an E.G belt? (not that there is anything 'wrong' with this, it happens all the time with designer brands)

When I get the belt sometime next week due to British Bank Holidays, I will report back on the quality.

But seeing as they are both made in the UK, I am willing to bet they are probably identical and from the same supplier.

Just because something is cheaper financially, does not mean it is cheaper in terms of quality.

I'm like the next guy on here who is *sometimes* willing to pay for a bit of prestige and buy a 'designer' label, but when I can get the exact same thing (and seemingly by matter of deduction, made by the same supplier) without the 'brand' and much cheaper, I am not so daft as to think the one with the brand on the label is the 'better' one.
Well, here's the thing:

1. The leather on that picture doesn't look like the leather of my belt. Could just be the picture though, who knows.

2. Bridle leather belts typically are not that cheap, and they would have mentioned it. Whether you care about bridle leather (supposed to age really well, last forever, etc) is your own deal.

3. EG has had that same belt made in black, brown and white at least, is getting one in chestnut for us, and IIRC has the buckle available in chrome/silver color.

4. The buckle looks almost identical (within tolerances of a manufacturing run) and either way a unique brass buckle is not that expensive to make at all once it's been prototyped. Further, the EG buckle is well made but not mindblowing in terms of quality control/fit and finish issues.

My conclusion is that this belt is probably made by the same manufacturer, but probably with a different strap, and will most likely last you as long as the EG with normal use, etc. When we first heard about the EG belt I searched around to see if I could find a similar one and asked here, and didn't turn up any results.

I don't think it's snobby to say that the EG one is most likely of better quality. What LA Guy said in his last paragraph is exactly how I feel about it. I own both Uniqlo and APCs and they are very similar and I personally wouldn't pay the extra for the difference. The marginal benefit is just not there to me, and to be honest I would also choose this cheaper belt if I were to buy one. As it was I got one as a gift, so I have nothing to complain about. Whether it is worth it to anyone to pay Daiki's premium for a very similar (or maybe exactly the same) belt if you are looking at the brown one, is their own choice. If they want any other color, though, they aren't going to find it AFAIK.
post #49 of 58
I know the history of this type of belt, and actually, very similar models can be found by a variety of companies. Nearly all the belts have similar buckles, down the the "pineapple". Engineered Garments is one of the more expensive brands, but I've never seen a bridle leather belt offered this inexpensively, in the UK or elsewhere.

Of course Engineered Garments has a designer markup, that goes without saying. And it is possible that this belt is of the same quality, but I doubt it. I have been working on sourcing both leather and buckles; and unless, as I said, the belt is a direct manufacturer-to-customer business, these guys are selling the belts at lower than how much I could wholesale a similar belt for. (Either that, or I really need to be calling these guy's manufacturer.) If this company is a manufacturer-to-customer company, then the belt is definitely not by the same manufacturer. (I know who manufactures the EG belts.)

I am also aware that bridle leather is quite common in the UK. It is nevertheless a selling point, and I've noticed this on many UK sites retailing belts.

Again, I have not seen the belt. The above are just my informed guesses.

Anyway, I am interested in a report on this belt. Would you mind posting detailed pics and commenting on leather quality, etc.. when you receive the belt?

Edit: It seems, from reading the "About us" on the website, and "Where-to-buy" sections on the website, that this is in fact a direct manufacturer-to-customer company. There you go. Definitely not the same manufacturer (although the buckles could be sourced from the same company), and I am really interested to see if the belt is bridle leather and whether the quality is there. I have seen very well made American bridle leather belts, but with a much simpler, cheaper buckle, sold for approximately $40+shipping, from a direct manufacturer-to-customer outfit, but even these outfits charge about $60+ for belt with fancier buckle, and American prices are usually significantly lower than UK prices.


Quote:
Originally Posted by jedwards
Its funny actually, cos I found that belt myself on Google. I decided to order one today.

LA Guy, I have to say this in a friendly way, but you are being a snob. The belts are both made in England - after a bit of research while looking for this style belt, it seems that this is indeed an "old fashioned" English military style belt that has been in existence and production since around the WWs.

Another point. Good quality (mid price) belts made in England from smaller brands / artisans etc are commonly made from Bridle Leather, so this is not really that an exclusive a leather. (Certainly not to charge what E.G are charging)

If you look at the buckle and the metal 'belt loop' you will even notice they have the same sort of 'pineapple' logo are whatever it is. Do you really think Engineered Garments have commissioned an entirely new belt - or is it more likely they are using exactly the same belt from the English supplier and simply selling it as an E.G belt? (not that there is anything 'wrong' with this, it happens all the time with designer brands)

When I get the belt sometime next week due to British Bank Holidays, I will report back on the quality.

But seeing as they are both made in the UK, I am willing to bet they are probably identical and from the same supplier.

Just because something is cheaper financially, does not mean it is cheaper in terms of quality.

I'm like the next guy on here who is *sometimes* willing to pay for a bit of prestige and buy a 'designer' label, but when I can get the exact same thing (and seemingly by matter of deduction, made by the same supplier) without the 'brand' and much cheaper, I am not so daft as to think the one with the brand on the label is the 'better' one.
post #50 of 58
I will get back to you with a report once it comes.

I take your points into consideration, and I wasnt criticising you or E.G, in fact Ive been emailing them about trying to get hold of one of their jackets, however, for me the almost identicality of the two belts and the fact that they're both made in England indicates they are of comparable quality and long-last-ability.

Also, with the bridle leather being a selling point, I definitely agree, but describing something as 'bridle leather' would be meaningless to 99.9% of the people who are looking at the belt, unless you were to start explaining the difference between split hides, tanning methods etc etc which would bore most people to death.

There is an English company that has made this style since the WWs and I cant remember what it is sorry. (in fact I think they invented this buckle). Its something like Daines & Hoobery, a British premium leather-ware manufacturer.
post #51 of 58
Daines & Hathaway?
post #52 of 58
Quote:
Originally Posted by whoopee
Daines & Hathaway?

Hole-in-one. Daines & Hathaway have been doing this type of belt forever.

Jedwards, I am not at all offended, nor am I a spokesman for Engineered Garments and/or Daiki. I was just questioning whether you could get a good bridle leather belt at under 30 quid, even if it was a manufacturer-to-customer outfit. I've dealt with numerous Irish and English companies of this type, and the bridle leather strap alone usually runs you close to 35-40 quid retail, not including a buckle. I was also questioning the contention that the belts were made by the same company. I think that the answer to the first question can't be answered until you get the belt, and that the answer to the second is nearly certainly a no.

What jacket are you looking for? It's possible I could hook you up... not a promise.
post #53 of 58
what are the differences in these leathers?
i mean what is the hiearchy of leather?
post #54 of 58
At the bottom is leatherboard, which is essentially pieces of leather glued together. Take a look at a lot of the belts at Urban Outfitters. Those are leatherboard. Above that are corrected grain leathers.

Quality leather goods are invariably made from full grain leathers. Bridle leather refers to a specific finish. There are various types of finishes, all "most" suitable depending on function and taste.
post #55 of 58
Quote:
Originally Posted by j
Are you a US 11/11.5? I've been considering selling them and getting a pair of the next size down...

I'm around size 11. If you haven't sold them, I would be very interested.
post #56 of 58
Just got an email back from Dubarry. Their belt is "cow hind" which is a typo for hide? Plus it has that large and gaudy embossed logo.

Just FYI
Tom
post #57 of 58
Going back to the boots for a moment...I love those Crockett & Jones chukka boots. Does anyone have experience with a similar style at a lower price? I like the Clarks desert boots, but the leather looks so good on these.
post #58 of 58
^^ I surprisingly found a very nice pair at Coach the other day; they were $229, expensive nonetheless, but beautiful. They may be on their website.....
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