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post #46 of 124
Hi Implulse, I've been a lurker on these threads for a few days but registered to add to this post. You are trying to lose a few lbs and are around 198 right now? I was around 195 last August and am 155 currently. I have been pretty lazy the last month or so though! While this is a good forum and some people do know what they are talking about, I would also suggest some other health and fitness forums where you might find more knowledgeable people. I was able to get a lot of my plans or tips from a couple of them and it truly does help. I still need to lose some of my man boobs and keep working out. I am 5 ft 9 and want to lose a little more and then bulk up a little to get some definition. I realize the thread is for six-packs and I wish you the best of luck but its not for me! -fn
post #47 of 124
I gained weight.
post #48 of 124
This is quite an interesting thread.

My understanding is that it is easier to build muscle when you have a relatively higher percentage of body fat. I had a body builder friend who would have a "building" weight and a "competition" weight which as 20 lbs less. When getting ready for a comp, he could cut his calories by a lot and do lots of cardio. He would loose both fat and muscle, but more fat than muscle. That is how he got insanely cut.

Me, I'm just trying to get in better shape without breaking more joints.
post #49 of 124
That's not true. The amount of fat you currently have has nothing to do with how easy it is to gain muscle. For bodybuilders, who tend to exclusively be mesomorphs or endomorphs, gaining muscle for them invariably involves gaining fat (this can be minimized, but it will also lead to less substantial muscle gain). So, basically, they'll gain off season, and when it's tine to cut fat, they'll focus on cutting fat instead of gaining muscle. For ectomorphs, well, good luck trying to gain fat.
post #50 of 124
To add to what Arethusa said, it's not that a higher bodyfat percentage *helps* you gain muscle. It's that it's impossible to gain muscle without also gaining fat, or to cut fat without also cutting muscle. You can do a lot to minimize the amount of fat gained, or muscle lost (mostly having to do with diet and supplements), but basically if you're gaining weight, you're gaining both kinds, and if you're losing, you're losing both kinds. So when your friend was bulking, his bodyfat was increasing along with the muscle gain, not in order to gain the muscle in the first place. And as you said, when he cuts, he loses some of the muscle (but more of the fat). This is how pretty much everyone except the most gifted of mesomorphs has to do it, competitive or not. I'm 6'1" and 167lbs and *I'm* actually in a cutting phase because I'm tremendously ectomorphic (my "normal" weight before I started working out was 130 lbs) and I had to overload the hell out of my metabolism in order to gain weight in the first place, which resulted in my getting a little soft around the middle. Once that's back under control (which shouldn't take long, given my metabolism), I'll be right back to the 4000-calorie days....
post #51 of 124
If you want to see your abs, I suggest shedding your body fat percentage. You can do this by doing cardio. If you are currently doing a weight training regiment, I suggest following your lift workout with 20 to 30 minutes of cardio. Personally I think running (not on a treadmill) is best. Start out with 10 minutes of a easy jogging. Follow this with 15 minutes of interval training. This is best done on a track by sprinting at about 85% effort for the straightaways and then a slow jog during the turns. After 15 minutes of these intervals, go back to 5 minutes of slow jog/walk until your heart rate is back to normal. If you don't normally do any running as exercise, I suggest starting out slow because you can definitly go overboard, expecially as a beginner.

Everybody is different so your results will vary, but this helps me shed body fat while allowing me to maintain muscle mass.

Good luck
post #52 of 124
Please read this everybody:

Initial bodyfat and body composition changes.

I'll reiterate this: Lyle McDonald know more about this shit than anyone.

http://www.lylemcdonald.com/

If you aren't naturally lean you are gonna need a lot of EXPERT help to get there. Expert help, or T3, clenbuterol, and stanazolol.
post #53 of 124
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That's not true. The amount of fat you currently have has nothing to do with how easy it is to gain muscle.

Please read the article I linked above, this simply isn't true.

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If you want to see your abs, I suggest shedding your body fat percentage. You can do this by doing cardio.

Cardio alone will get you this body:


Lars Ullrich, elite cyclist.

The only thing that reliably helps you to build and retain muscle at preferentially over bodyfat is high intensity weight training.
post #54 of 124
Thread Starter 
fasion, can i get a few of those forums
post #55 of 124
Thread Starter 
wuts so bad about them
post #56 of 124
I'll agree that Lyle MacDonald is very knowledgeable, but his advice is for the fit trying to get super-fit. I don't find it helpful to the vast majority of the poplulation's goal of getting a little bit fitter. Most people lack the discipline and even the desire to follow some of the strict regimens Lyle MacDonald prescribes. You're better off finding advice from somebody who understands your goal is to be a little thinner, not look like Ronnie Coleman. Oh yeah, as long as we're on the subject, I should add that one of the best things most men could do, including myself, to better their bodies would be to stop drinking. We all know it's bad for us. I just can't give up those weekends just yet, though...
post #57 of 124
I've heard that a few days' dehydration helps accentuate a six pack (if you already have one).... don't drink any liquids.

Naturally occuring metabolism (not diet, exercise) seems to be the most important. Can't change that.
post #58 of 124
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Originally Posted by poorsod
This is quite an interesting thread.

My understanding is that it is easier to build muscle when you have a relatively higher percentage of body fat. I had a body builder friend who would have a "building" weight and a "competition" weight which as 20 lbs less. When getting ready for a comp, he could cut his calories by a lot and do lots of cardio. He would loose both fat and muscle, but more fat than muscle. That is how he got insanely cut.

Me, I'm just trying to get in better shape without breaking more joints.

Completely OT, but:

Resistance is Futile!

Jon.
post #59 of 124
Thread Starter 
lost about 10 lbs, going for another 16 and ill be happy, with another 16 or so ill be down to 180
post #60 of 124
I am 6 feet and this summer, when i decided it was time to do something, i was 206lbs. Now after 7 months of not eating junk-food, watching the amount of healthy food i eat per serving and by swimming 2-3 times a week for at least 30 minutes, i am now at 160lbs.

The important thing is to follow your body and getting to know it. These plans are great but they worked for someone else, they might not work for you. The human body is very different on each person. I tried many things before and it never worked or i would get injured because i wasnt doing it well.
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