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post #301 of 414
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Originally Posted by WUKILLABEEZ78 View Post
Interesting that some people feel smoking looks cool. I always felt the opposite (even as a kid). To me smoking is a sign of weakness and people who smoke are weak. Could never understand why people would want to weaken themselves and waste $$$ on something that is not beneficial to them.

Do you feel the same way about alcohol, and coffee? If not... then you're a hypocrite.
post #302 of 414
china france and russia have the highest ratio of smokers in the world and the lowest cancer rates.
the US has one of the lowest and yet one of the highest cases.
why do you think that is.
far more people die from the shit they eat in this country then anything else,but its easier to go after the smoking industry since theres only 3 major players and thus taxing them is easier then to go after the food industry where theres many players.
diabetes and obesity is far more harmfull,i guarantee that 9/10 people who have voiced their opinion here on how bad smoking is had a burger or some fried shit this week.
again countries like france and china,smoke like hell but their diets are healthy, even though the french use butter on everything the wine they drink everyday balances it ... NOT coke.
is smoking bad for you?of course but the shit you/we put in our mouths is much worse.
theres a difference between use and abuse,theres a diffeenece betwen 2 cigs a day and two packs..or 1 beer a day and a case a day...or watching 1 hour of tv a day or 6.
it can be applied to anything.
i do agree that there should not be smoking in public places.
interestingly enough first ever legislation to ban smoking in the world was by....Adolf Hitler in the late 1930's...70s year earlier then the modernized world
post #303 of 414
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Originally Posted by Hombre Secreto View Post
Do you feel the same way about alcohol, and coffee? If not... then you're a hypocrite.

I feel the same way about any individual who is addicted to something that isn't beneficial and is actually detrimental to them. ADDICTION is the key word though, participating in an activity infrequently (once/twice a month) or every now and then socially doesn't satisfy the requirements of the definition.

So to answer your question yes, a person addicted to alcohol is just as weak in my eyes as a smoker (alcohol is a much bigger short term risk than smoking and people who have an alcohol addiction also pose a much bigger threat to society esp. if they engage in their vice in public settings). Being addicted to caffeine doesn't pose the same risks (how many caffeine related car accidents are there? Any carcinogens in caffeine that harm the user or others?) to the individual or others like smoking and alcohol so from that standpoint I don't view it in the same manner. But for me personally any addiction or habit that one engages in or utilizes to make them feel more confident or better about themselves is a sign of weakness. If I saw you sucking your thumb all the time to comfort yourself (LMAO at the thought) then it's a visible sign of weakness. If you're the type of guy who refers to himself in the 3rd person during conversation then this is a sign of weakness that anyone can pick up on and potentially use against you. Thats just the way I think and feel about any addiction or addictive vice/coping mechanism. Any addiction can become a big enough problem to warrant some sort of intervention. Alcoholism and nicotine addiction are both listed in the DSM-IV because they are not only addictions but because they are detrimental to the health of the user and others. Other addictions (like caffeine or thumbsucking) aren't individually listed in the DSM-IV because they don't pose a risk to other individuals even if they get to the point of threatening the welfare of the person engaging in the activity.
post #304 of 414
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Originally Posted by ninetofivereject View Post
china france and russia have the highest ratio of smokers in the world and the lowest cancer rates.
the US has one of the lowest and yet one of the highest cases.
why do you think that is.
far more people die from the shit they eat in this country then anything else,but its easier to go after the smoking industry since theres only 3 major players and thus taxing them is easier then to go after the food industry where theres many players.
diabetes and obesity is far more harmfull,i guarantee that 9/10 people who have voiced their opinion here on how bad smoking is had a burger or some fried shit this week.
again countries like france and china,smoke like hell but their diets are healthy, even though the french use butter on everything the wine they drink everyday balances it ... NOT coke.
is smoking bad for you?of course but the shit you/we put in our mouths is much worse.
theres a difference between use and abuse,theres a diffeenece betwen 2 cigs a day and two packs..or 1 beer a day and a case a day...or watching 1 hour of tv a day or 6.
it can be applied to anything.
i do agree that there should not be smoking in public places.
interestingly enough first ever legislation to ban smoking in the world was by....Adolf Hitler in the late 1930's...70s year earlier then the modernized world

People in the US (or anywhere for that matter) aren't dying from obesity due to what they eat. They're dying from obesity because they DON'T EXERCISE! Eating burgers or fried food isn't in itself bad for you and plenty of fast food chains have had to change how they make their food due to stricter regulations and laws no different from regulations aimed at those in the tobacco or alcohol industries. You can easily make healthy and good tasting fried food. Food doesn't kill you and shouldn't make you obese. What kills you is eating and eating and eating while not getting enough physical activity. Most people don't exercise anymore and this is the real epidemic that is handicapping the US and raising the insurance rates. Haven't you heard of companies who are now paying incentives for employees who stay in shape? In the end though I personally could care less about people who want to incessantly drink alcohol and smoke or those who eat bad or not exercise. Let them kill themselves. Just don't make me pay the same insurance rates. Make them pay a premium for killing themselves.
post #305 of 414
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Originally Posted by WUKILLABEEZ78 View Post
Interesting that some people feel smoking looks cool. I always felt the opposite (even as a kid).
Your first three poasts on the forvm are bitchfests about smoking?

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To me smoking is a sign of weakness and people who smoke are weak.

Yeah, okay.
post #306 of 414
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Originally Posted by WUKILLABEEZ78 View Post
I feel the same way about any individual who is addicted to something that isn't beneficial and is actually detrimental to them. ADDICTION is the key word though, participating in an activity infrequently (once/twice a month) or every now and then socially doesn't satisfy the requirements of the definition.

So to answer your question yes, a person addicted to alcohol is just as weak in my eyes as a smoker (alcohol is a much bigger short term risk than smoking and people who have an alcohol addiction also pose a much bigger threat to society esp. if they engage in their vice in public settings). Being addicted to caffeine doesn't pose the same risks (how many caffeine related car accidents are there? Any carcinogens in caffeine that harm the user or others?) to the individual or others like smoking and alcohol so from that standpoint I don't view it in the same manner. But for me personally any addiction or habit that one engages in or utilizes to make them feel more confident or better about themselves is a sign of weakness. If I saw you sucking your thumb all the time to comfort yourself (LMAO at the thought) then it's a visible sign of weakness. If you're the type of guy who refers to himself in the 3rd person during conversation then this is a sign of weakness that anyone can pick up on and potentially use against you. Thats just the way I think and feel about any addiction or addictive vice/coping mechanism. Any addiction can become a big enough problem to warrant some sort of intervention. Alcoholism and nicotine addiction are both listed in the DSM-IV because they are not only addictions but because they are detrimental to the health of the user and others. Other addictions (like caffeine or thumbsucking) aren't individually listed in the DSM-IV because they don't pose a risk to other individuals even if they get to the point of threatening the welfare of the person engaging in the activity.


ADDICTION is the key word. I don't see how doing anything occasionally constitutes as an addiction. You seem to believe that smokers are like junkies just looking for their next nicotine fix because the need to smoke engulfs their minds, and souls. The truth is some smokers are not addicts. To me a cigarette is just a nice companion to alcohol, a cup of coffee, or a very exhausting work day that just finished, and you could finally sit down, and relax.
post #307 of 414
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Originally Posted by WUKILLABEEZ78 View Post
People in the US (or anywhere for that matter) aren't dying from obesity due to what they eat. They're dying from obesity because they DON'T EXERCISE! Eating burgers or fried food isn't in itself bad for you and plenty of fast food chains have had to change how they make their food due to stricter regulations and laws no different from regulations aimed at those in the tobacco or alcohol industries. You can easily make healthy and good tasting fried food. Food doesn't kill you and shouldn't make you obese. What kills you is eating and eating and eating while not getting enough physical activity. Most people don't exercise anymore and this is the real epidemic that is handicapping the US and raising the insurance rates. Haven't you heard of companies who are now paying incentives for employees who stay in shape? In the end though I personally could care less about people who want to incessantly drink alcohol and smoke or those who eat bad or not exercise. Let them kill themselves. Just don't make me pay the same insurance rates. Make them pay a premium for killing themselves.

I hope to god you die before me.
post #308 of 414
^^^^^ This.
post #309 of 414
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Originally Posted by WUKILLABEEZ78 View Post
People in the US (or anywhere for that matter) aren't dying from obesity due to what they eat. They're dying from obesity because they DON'T EXERCISE! Eating burgers or fried food isn't in itself bad for you and plenty of fast food chains have had to change how they make their food due to stricter regulations and laws no different from regulations aimed at those in the tobacco or alcohol industries. You can easily make healthy and good tasting fried food. Food doesn't kill you and shouldn't make you obese. What kills you is eating and eating and eating while not getting enough physical activity. Most people don't exercise anymore and this is the real epidemic that is handicapping the US and raising the insurance rates. Haven't you heard of companies who are now paying incentives for employees who stay in shape? In the end though I personally could care less about people who want to incessantly drink alcohol and smoke or those who eat bad or not exercise. Let them kill themselves. Just don't make me pay the same insurance rates. Make them pay a premium for killing themselves.

actually the US has the most gyms in the world,go to paris or any other large city in europe and you will be hard pressed to see any ( i know theres a few here and there).BUT they walk a lot.we stuff our asses in SUVs and head to the drive thru...thats another thing why the fuck do we need drive thrus in this country,get out of the car and walk in and get your shit...also less pollution from idling in the line,aaah shit god help us all
post #310 of 414
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Originally Posted by WUKILLABEEZ78 View Post
I feel the same way about any individual who is addicted to something that isn't beneficial and is actually detrimental to them. ADDICTION is the key word though, participating in an activity infrequently (once/twice a month) or every now and then socially doesn't satisfy the requirements of the definition.

So to answer your question yes, a person addicted to alcohol is just as weak in my eyes as a smoker (alcohol is a much bigger short term risk than smoking and people who have an alcohol addiction also pose a much bigger threat to society esp. if they engage in their vice in public settings). Being addicted to caffeine doesn't pose the same risks (how many caffeine related car accidents are there? Any carcinogens in caffeine that harm the user or others?) to the individual or others like smoking and alcohol so from that standpoint I don't view it in the same manner. But for me personally any addiction or habit that one engages in or utilizes to make them feel more confident or better about themselves is a sign of weakness. If I saw you sucking your thumb all the time to comfort yourself (LMAO at the thought) then it's a visible sign of weakness. If you're the type of guy who refers to himself in the 3rd person during conversation then this is a sign of weakness that anyone can pick up on and potentially use against you. Thats just the way I think and feel about any addiction or addictive vice/coping mechanism. Any addiction can become a big enough problem to warrant some sort of intervention. Alcoholism and nicotine addiction are both listed in the DSM-IV because they are not only addictions but because they are detrimental to the health of the user and others. Other addictions (like caffeine or thumbsucking) aren't individually listed in the DSM-IV because they don't pose a risk to other individuals even if they get to the point of threatening the welfare of the person engaging in the activity.

i guarantee you have a vice of your own so dont judge,it may not be killing you physically but maybe morally or spiritually or whatever,EVERYBODY and I mean EVRYBODY has a vice whats yours..online poker,chronic masterbation reading the bible every waking minute...dont judge, live your life.from past expereince the ones claiming to be cleanest usually have more dirt on them then anybody else
post #311 of 414
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Originally Posted by Ludeykrus View Post
All things in moderation.
Like cancer? 420,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of cigarette smoking. If you add up the numbers over the years and around the world, tobacco manufacturers are the largest mass murderers in human history, and make Germany's Third Reich look like a bunch of Girl Scouts.
post #312 of 414
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
Like cancer?

420,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of cigarette smoking. If you add up the numbers over the years and around the world, tobacco manufacturers are the largest mass murderers in human history, and make Germany's Third Reich look like a bunch of Girl Scouts.

This comparison is in really poor taste IMO.
post #313 of 414
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Originally Posted by AThingForCashmere View Post
Like cancer?

420,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of cigarette smoking. If you add up the numbers over the years and around the world, tobacco manufacturers are the largest mass murderers in human history, and make Germany's Third Reich look like a bunch of Girl Scouts.
i call bullshit on those claims
post #314 of 414
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Originally Posted by ninetofivereject View Post
i call bullshit on those claims

Me too. Living has to be the number one mass murderer in history.
post #315 of 414
Look how uptight the non-smoking evangelists on this thread come across, and look how nonchalant we smokers are. I rest my case. I hope you all get heart attacks from stressing about us having heart attacks.
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