finally got my denim selvedge officer chinos in ...
these are GINORMOUS for a 28 and they fit like a 30 or 31 lol. it fits like the very original limited edition selvedge officer chinos that were released like 3 or 4 seasons back.
so if you can size down do it. i cant since this is the smallest size. not sure if i will get them altered or just try to wash and dry them and hope they shrink (apparently these are sanforized
the upgraded hardware is real nice. super sturdy and looks great.