Originally Posted by Manfred Freitag
I never said you shouldn't demand satisfaction. Of course you should. Only that perhaps you aren't standing on the loftiest of moral high grounds here, calling people scammers and demanding a refund for merchandise you were set to obtain through some back-alley arrangement. A scam. Don't tell me you thought Jimmy was a newphew of Lipschitz?
The guy tried to make a few bucks and it got out of control and some people got fucked over and he got fired. Sucks for everybody. Go buy the shit at retail on your credit card if you want to avoid these situations. This is a first-world problem if I've ever seen one.
I think we see about the same point of view. You're saying of course I should demand satisfaction, which I'm trying to do, and I've tried to explain that I don't see any loftiest of moral high ground, just an infinite sliding scale (if anybody sees scams as all the same, God help anybody who deals with them).
That said, I don't know how "not for the public" retail sales go. I've heard the phrase "friends and family" but I now assume "friends" is incredibly limited. I never called him a scammer, either. That said, I don't owe people thousands of dollars, and I've been in positions where I've put myself through hell to ensure I'm not messing with people on that kind of scale. I'd have bought the stuff at retail if I could've afforded it. I went for this deal because of the price, which has to be a more than common reaction. If it turns out I can't afford it, I thought, I can sell it easily and break even. Where I fucked up was buying some non-essential stuff for the first time in a long time. It turned out I still couldn't afford to buy non-essential stuff. No problem, I'll just have to sell it when it turns up. Even convinced a friend doing better than me to buy it so I could break even. That'll annoy me, I thought, him going round in the clothes I wanted, but no option because I need to pay bills. Except now even that isn't coming. It isn't a sob story, doesn't compare with a third-world situation. Even I can see a comical side, and I'm honestly wondering if I'm going to be able to put the heating on this winter. I wish it weren't so - I'm working to make it otherwise - but that money would make a difference. I wish I were in a position just to be able to say, "ah, well, I made a mistake with what I trusted". No, I shouldn't have put myself in this position but people who can't afford these things at normal price are likely to get sucked into these sorts of problems. Of course I take responsibility for that, because I'm not on the loftiest of moral high grounds - nobody is - and now I'm trying - need - to demand satisfaction as you say I should.