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post #19876 of 21949
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Originally Posted by buzzlulu View Post

 

All in all after 3 years of trying RRL it is not an easy brand to buy.  It is overpriced (I guess we all know that and many purchase only on promo) and quality and vfm are hit and miss.  After a lot of back and forth for AW13 (I kept only 3 sweaters) and now with SS14 being so hit and miss I think it might be time to take a breather.  A shame as many of the pieces are quite tasty looking when viewed online.

 

Pretty much exactly my thoughts and my experience.  And when you factor in the labor, as you noted in another part of your post, literally zero reason for the pricing.  AW sweaters were indeed a back and forth and I didn't keep a single one.  Fits were either all over the place or the quality was just poor.  I honestly was rather shocked as it was my first RRL experience.  You're right too, pieces look great online.  

 

That said I do love my Dixon jacket from AW.  Looks great on and I'm pleased with the quality considering the sale price.

post #19877 of 21949
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Originally Posted by buzzlulu View Post

 

Absolutely crappy leather . . . . made in China/tanned in China leather

 

 

I am not certain about the Mendoza, but many/most of RRL's current leather jackets are made from Italian veg tanned leather.  The jackets are put together in China, but the leather is not made in China.

 

 

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Originally Posted by buzzlulu View Post

 

The Andrew Marc leather jackets which the department stores promo day in and day out for $300-$500 are of an equal quality to the RRL piece.

 

 

Notwithstanding your experience in the industry, nothing could be further from the truth.  RRL's leather and construction are far superior to Andrew Marc.

 

RRL generally uses heavier, stiffer and/or more rugged leather, consistent with the vintage pieces they drawing inspiration from and/or replicating.  if you do not fancy this type of leather, RRL is not a good fit for you.  

post #19878 of 21949
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Originally Posted by thefastlife View Post

guys...question. i got the rigid slims in size 34. they are a bit big in the waist. is this a huge no-no and should i return? its strange, b/c im usually a 34-36 waist and cannot remember the last time i was a 32...if ever.


will they be OK to keep w/ a belt? they aren't enormous but probably an inch too big.

BUELLER?
post #19879 of 21949
if you can fit the thighs, size down. they will continue to stretch another inch or so from where they are.

you can soak em too and I recommend it bc raw, will protect from crotch blow outs later…shouldn't really shrink em that much cause already sanforized. Could super hot dry em too but again, don't expect too much shrinkage.

…or….get the waist taken in via tailor though jean shop recommended here cause of difficulty to work with fabric (chain stitch)
post #19880 of 21949
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Originally Posted by Adroit View Post
 

 

Notwithstanding your experience in the industry, nothing could be further from the truth.  RRL's leather and construction are far superior to Andrew Marc.

 

RRL generally uses heavier, stiffer and/or more rugged leather, consistent with the vintage pieces they drawing inspiration from and/or replicating.  if you do not fancy this type of leather, RRL is not a good fit for you.  

 

I do fancy this type of leather and love it.  I will take a Belstaff jacket any day of the week, with its "heavier, stiffer and rugged leather" for the same price as the RRP of the RRL pieces.  There are rugged beat up vintage looking pieces from every manufacturer ranging from Zara to RRL and beyond.  For $1800 I expect top notch beat up vintage leather.  I think it says something that I decided to return the coat even though it was obtained with the 65% off coupon - I really do not think I would have kept it at any price.

 

Do not want to get personal with this - just my opinion :)

post #19881 of 21949
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Originally Posted by BLAUGRANA View Post
 

 

Pretty much exactly my thoughts and my experience.  And when you factor in the labor, as you noted in another part of your post, literally zero reason for the pricing.  AW sweaters were indeed a back and forth and I didn't keep a single one.  Fits were either all over the place or the quality was just poor.  I honestly was rather shocked as it was my first RRL experience.  You're right too, pieces look great online.  

 

That said I do love my Dixon jacket from AW.  Looks great on and I'm pleased with the quality considering the sale price.

 

I was able to handle the Dixon - nice jacket.

 

Sweaters - I was able to get online the limited edition Vintage Motorcycle sweater (solid body with logo and striped arms).  What a BEAUTIFUL looking piece MAGNIFICENT - absolutely could not wear it - it seemed as though it was made with regenerated wool.  Many of the "shetland" RRL sweaters I handled also seemed as if they were made from regenerated.  Very poor wool for that price.

 

I was able to keep 3 pieces though - an indigo shawl cardigan in "washed" Merino - nice material - the grey houndstooth body/solid grey arm cardigan in geelong wool, nice - and finally a brown merino cardigan with suede shoulder hunting gun patch.  The problem is how many others went back!

 

On the other hand I purchased two SNS pieces this winter - nice virgin wool which you could immediately tell was not regenerated - as stated in label VIRGIN.

Same with Shetlands - several from END this winter - YMC - made in Scotland (although the point of fabrication is meaningless) BUT - virgin shetland wool - almost as soft as cashmere.  There is good virgin wool out there - you just need to hunt for it.

post #19882 of 21949
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy View Post

if you can fit the thighs, size down. they will continue to stretch another inch or so from where they are.

you can soak em too and I recommend it bc raw, will protect from crotch blow outs later…shouldn't really shrink em that much cause already sanforized. Could super hot dry em too but again, don't expect too much shrinkage.

…or….get the waist taken in via tailor though jean shop recommended here cause of difficulty to work with fabric (chain stitch)

thanks man but i will be REALLY surprised if a size 32 fit me.


maybe ill stick with em and soak? basically sit in a bathtub right? (this is my first pair of selvedge)
post #19883 of 21949
selvedge has no relevance here (just a construction method for comfort and robustness, arguably)

if you want to shrink, do not wear them in the tub…you shouldn't be worried about over-shrinking them (thats when u wanna wear em, notorious with unsanforized denim)

PLENTY of threads on how to soak denim, water temp, length of time…..what is gonna shrink them more will be the dryer but remember, they are gonna stretch back out anyways (for the most part)…

Respectfully, if they don't fit, they don't fit….the low rise doesn't help here either as people previously mentioned. RRL seems to be vanity sizing +2in after break in (my experience lately). All my 31's are now 33's, 30's now 32's..this may cause belt issues cause if fold over occurs, your crotch will sag and get button-up wrinkle

Depending on how "off" the fit is…you may be better of buying the raw straights, size down to almost cannot button top button, and tapering the knee-ankle - some tailors are better at that then taking in the waist/adjusting the rise - or new idea: buy the size down, 32 slim and get in the tub with them stretching out the parts you need it, leave the waist unbuttoned until dry. Walk around wet-ish, avoid carpet and nice furniture cause of imitation indigo drip --- hump your wife/gf/sig other --- have fun.

GL
Edited by FlyGuy - 3/31/14 at 7:05am
post #19884 of 21949
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy View Post

selvedge has no relevance here (just a construction method for comfort and robustness, arguably)

if you want to shrink, do not wear them in the tub…you shouldn't be worried about over-shrinking them (thats when u wanna wear em, notorious with unsanforized denim)

PLENTY of threads on how to soak denim, water temp, length of time…..what is gonna shrink them more will be the dryer but remember, they are gonna stretch back out anyways (for the most part)…

Respectfully, if they don't fit, they don't fit….the low rise doesn't help here either as people previously mentioned. RRL seems to be vanity sizing +2in after break in (my experience lately). All my 31's are now 33's, 30's now 32's..this may cause belt issues cause if fold over occurs, your crotch will sag and get button-up wrinkle

Depending on how "off" the fit is…you may be better of buying the raw straights, size down to almost cannot button top button, and tapering the knee-ankle - some tailors are better at that then taking in the waist/adjusting the rise - or new idea: buy the size down, 32 slim and get in the tub with them stretching out the parts you need it, leave the waist unbuttoned until dry. Walk around wet-ish, avoid carpet and nice furniture cause of imitation indigo drip --- hump your wife/gf/sig other --- have fun.

GL

 

How long is your break in? I've never had a pair of RRL size up 2 after breaking them in.

post #19885 of 21949
Up 2 from tag size which +1 from as bought….break in typically 3-6 months until first "wash" - after initial soak depending on denim and use

In my experience, RRL are vanity sized +1 to begin with - pretty much all of em from Denim to Chinos to the Wools - and its not uncommon to get up to an extra inch, regardless of brand. Chinos stretching the least, then denim, then wools (bought two pair at 31, now both measure ~33.5).
Edited by FlyGuy - 3/31/14 at 10:57am
post #19886 of 21949
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Originally Posted by edubs01 View Post

Can anybody providing sizing advice for the Murdock & Bowery boots?
Are they TTS? Half size down?

Thx in advance.

 

 

Sizing down a half size is your best bet IMO.    

post #19887 of 21949
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

Haven't handled current season stuff but outside of gambler nothing recently has been anything close to $1600-1800 retail. Even when they were on clearance at $500-700 I wouldn't really consider one it's just not that nice compared to other options

And womens are even worse, this one was sub $300 and paper thin and probably not much better than a leather at Zara:

Zara is terrible

post #19888 of 21949
While we're on the subject of leather, my RRL Chesterfield bag had its maiden voyage this past weekend. It easily holds a folded over garment bag plus 3-5 days worth of clothing and fits nicely in the overhead compartment. The leather is very soft and smells great.




I was looking for a new pair of grey jeans and grabbed these rigids from feebay. They resemble the special edition pair I've seen around recently, but have a black RRL patch and no fancy detailing or tags. The denim is rough and slubby outside and soft on the inside. Anyone know what season they're from?

post #19889 of 21949
Jeans look nice. Are they from the Behslashalassaaaah seller? More pics?
post #19890 of 21949
Yeah please more pics and info on those grey denim.
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