The Official RRL Thread - Page 874

Originally Posted by misterjuiceman 

How long has that been going on? I've bought colored denim from FW11 and SS12 that was all selvedge. It's strange because the colored stuff is even more expensive than the rest. Isn't most of it around $360?

Originally Posted by misterjuiceman 

I didn't even think RRL made denim that wasn't selvedge anymore. I wonder what else isn't selvedge.

Originally Posted by Dave_SFU 

Originally Posted by Dave_SFU 

Originally Posted by srgprod 


Thanks for the picture. They really just started to do this. Non-selvedge colored denim at full price. As I understand it this was not a cost saving measure; but an attempt to make a higher grade pant. Apparently there' was a big uproar from the guys at the retail level. Most people think that at that price, these jeans would be selvedge.
I would expect the folks buying these jeans don't even look and some wouldn't give a shit. I think they should have lowered the price. They certainly have room to do that even if the lower price competes with other jeans in their line. They'll probably blow this inventory out soon. They're still great pants though.

Originally Posted by hoit1981 

Where is this denim from?

Originally Posted by srgprod 

Thanks for the picture. They really just started to do this. Non-selvedge colored denim at full price. As I understand it this was not a cost saving measure; but an attempt to make a higher grade pant. Apparently there' was a big uproar from the guys at the retail level. Most people think that at that price, these jeans would be selvedge.
I would expect the folks buying these jeans don't even look and some wouldn't give a shit. I think they should have lowered the price. They certainly have room to do that even if the lower price competes with other jeans in their line. They'll probably blow this inventory out soon. They're still great pants though.

Originally Posted by Dave_SFU 


Made in the USA of Imported Fabrics says the tag. Doesnt say anything about Japanese denim

Originally Posted by misterjuiceman 

how does it make a higher grade pant? Is the base price of the jean cheaper since it's non-selvedge, and then they can do more with it? I'd honestly rather see them charge even more and have selvedge, if that's what it takes, but really for $380 it should be selvedge.

Originally Posted by srgprod 


They are always experimenting. Trying out new designs, new construction methods, etc. I was told that the denim used was from the same Japanese suppliers they always used except it was non-selvedge. Selvedge material is not better or worse just cause it has a selvedge line. That's a traditional method of manufacture from smaller looms. Not better or worse.
It's interesting that selvedge has become this standard of higher quality. Marketing hype in my opinion. It probably costs a few cents more per yard to produce. The looms however are rare and expensive. They don't in and of themselves produce better material. Highest quality denim can be made w.out the selvedge line using natural dyes, smaller production and more attention to the weave and processing. The trick for RRL is to sell jeans for over $ 300 a pair that aren't selvedge. Gap makes good quality selvedge jeans that sell for under $ 50 for instance.

Originally Posted by misterjuiceman 

I think if you have two pairs denim that are identical except for the fact that one is selvedge and one isn't, the selvedge wins out. I just prefer the look of it and the principle of it. It's not exactly rational, but not much in fashion is. I've bought six or seven pairs of RRL, all selvedge, just doesn't sit right for me that it's suddenly not anymore. Now on the same note, for chinos and other non-denim pants, I don't really care if it's selvedge or not. It's just a jean thing.

Originally Posted by misterjuiceman 

Usually it says on the pocket that it's Japanese denim, if you look on the inside. Are the pockets completely blank?