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post #16 of 35
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yeah, it was actually the lakers picking bynum which started the whole debate. not a fan of them picking bynum at all, especially since you had much better players like green and granger that were still available. bynum's lack of even high school basketball experience and that the only reason his stock even rose cause he finally lost 20 pounds doesn't give me hope. bynum is such a raw project that he won't be halfway decent till his contract runs out. who knows about bias? maybe, he wouldn't have lived up to his potential anyways or been another roy tarpley. did the celtics actually sign him to a contract, and have to pay his family for the contract? akili smith was #3 pick, and he played just as poorly as leaf. yet, he doesn't get the same stigma. i just think leaf gets such a poor rap simply cause he was such a jerk in san diego, but nobody else uses that as a factor for the other draft busts. i just find it ironic that for somebody who had so much difficulty with the media is now in a class titled media relations. its strange that espn would call leaf the biggest bust, but only the second worst draft pick. I would think if you're the biggest bust, that would also make you the worst draft pick.
post #17 of 35
I am old enough to have witnessed Len Bias play college basketball, which he did at the flagship state university of my home state of Maryland.  He was two inches taller than Jordan, just as athletic, and possessed a better jump shot; imagine a muscular Tracy McGrady.  No less an authority than Duke's Coach K has said that Bias and Jordan are the two best players ever to come out of the ACC.  Had Bias lived, he would not have become an NBA All-Star.  In my completely subjective speculation, he would have become one of the ten best players of all time. I don't think it's fair to label Bias a bust because we don't know what he would have become.  Ditto for players whose potential is cut short by injury, e.g., Ki-Jana Carter.  My vote goes Ryan Leaf.  He was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy in his final year, had better stats than Peyton Manning, and was a better physical specimen than Manning.  There was quite a debate about who the Colts should select.  Given every opportunity to succeed, Leaf turned out to be below average.
post #18 of 35
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My vote goes Ryan Leaf.  He was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy...
Don't mean to hijack the thread but isn't the Heisman Trophy becoming irrelevant? Of the last ten winners, who has gone on to be a legitimate star in the NFL?
post #19 of 35
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(Ambulance Chaser @ July 05 2005,13:08) My vote goes Ryan Leaf. He was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy...
Don't mean to hijack the thread but isn't the Heisman Trophy becoming irrelevant? Of the last ten winners, who has gone on to be a legitimate star in the NFL?
Well everyone knows Ricky Williams, maybe more for being outstanding for a few years while somehow playing for a team who never went anywhere, freaking out, quitting football, smoking alot of weed, hanging out with Lenny Kravitz, realizing that he still owes the Dolphins 8 million dollars, and then crawling back to work. (probably to be a second string RB, no less) Charles Woodson is fairly famous, and I'd say he has lived up to his trophy. Eddie George is number ten in the last ten years, but also fairly respectable. A workhorse anyways. As far as the recent QB's go, they might take a while to develop, but may soon live up to the potential. I'm thinking that Carson Palmer will be fine.
post #20 of 35
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I'm thinking that Carson Palmer will be fine.
Doesn't he host a talk show or something?
post #21 of 35
Leaf, no question. I was wrong on him. Can admit it now, but I thought he was great coming into the League.
post #22 of 35
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Ditto for players whose potential is cut short by injury, e.g., Ki-Jana Carter.  My vote goes Ryan Leaf.  He was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy in his final year, had better stats than Peyton Manning, and was a better physical specimen than Manning.  There was quite a debate about who the Colts should select.  Given every opportunity to succeed, Leaf turned out to be below average.
If we're going to give injured players the benefit of the doubt, then we need to strike Leaf from that list as well since he injured his wrist. That wrist injury- torn ligaments- forced him to miss the entire 99 season and he was never physically the same player ever again. We're saying that he's such a big disappointment cause he was such a physical specimen, but once you take that away with the injury, is it really a surprise that he would fail? All we have to judge him before he got injured was his rookie season where he played as poorly as possible. However, we all know that it takes a few seasons for a QB to develop. And, a healthy Leaf only had his rookie season to prove himself. Leaf probably could have never won back the Chargers due to his earlier behavior. But, from what I read, he wasn't a psycho when he tried to play for the other teams- his wrist was just too f'ed up. So, here's a twist on the question: assuming that the Chargers are the real thing with Brees, should the Chargers be happy with not getting Manning? Oh sure, Manning is a pro bowler and going to the hall of fame. Yet, from his record in college and against the Patriots, it seems like Manning is the type who will never lead a team to the championship. He's too good to cut your losses and get rid of, but not good enough to win it all either. Leaf was such a flaming diaster that it forced the Chargers to cut him and completely rebuild. Perhaps, in some twisted away, its better that the Chargers never got Manning.
post #23 of 35
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Sam bowie was hurt, but he might have been a great one, actually.  Heath Shuler was another horrible pick. koji
I know Mandarich was a bust relative to his talent, but i thought he had some relatively decent years, at least productive. Certainly never justified his pick, but I thought he ended up being servicable. Now Brian Bosworth on the other hand, I thought was a total bust.
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Oh sure, Manning is a pro bowler and going to the hall of fame. Yet, from his record in college and against the Patriots, it seems like Manning is the type who will never lead a team to the championship. He's too good to cut your losses and get rid of, but not good enough to win it all either. Leaf was such a flaming diaster that it forced the Chargers to cut him and completely rebuild. Perhaps, in some twisted away, its better that the Chargers never got Manning.
I think you are being unfair here. First of all, the last 3 years they've gone up against the best dynasty the NFL has had perhaps since the Niners of the '80s. No one has done much beating of New England lately. Plus, Peyton is not responsible for the Colts' poor defense against the run. In a way he is, I guess, because of hit his salary makes against the cap, but you get my point. Yeah he's played poorly against New England, but poor performances by his offensive line, recievers and the run defense have all contributed mightily to those defeats.
post #25 of 35
When I said maybe Darko Milicic I don't mean him alone, but hyped early draft picks whom teams don't really use. Sure, sometimes teams draft in anticipation of a need in the not-too-distant future. But some teams end up with too many players at one or two positions. I think that Portland's selection of Jermaine O'Neal was pretty bad. Maybe he needed to "mature," coming straight from high school, but he never really had a chance to do anything until he went to Indiana. Portland didn't get much for O'Neal - an aging Dale Davis, but... Courtney Brown has been injured too often, and even when healthy, has been rather unproductive.
post #26 of 35
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(Thracozaag @ July 01 2005,07:33) Sam bowie was hurt, but he might have been a great one, actually.  Heath Shuler was another horrible pick. koji
I know Mandarich was a bust relative to his talent, but i thought he had some relatively decent years, at least productive. Certainly never justified his pick, but I thought he ended up being servicable. Now Brian Bosworth on the other hand, I thought was a total bust.
How could I forget "Da Boz"...??.?.? ("Stone Cold") koji
post #27 of 35
I am sticking with my Len Bias nomination as worst draft pick ever. A bust is a bust is a bust. I don't think you can exclude guys who are injured (or dead). The title of the thread is worst draft pick in sports. I would think anytime a #2 pick is used on a guy who never suits up for your team (even if you didn't pay him), thats is essentially a wasted pick. At least the Chargers sold some season tickets when they signed Leaf. The Celts got nothing. nada. zip. zilch. for all intents and purposes, the team with the last pick in the last round of the 1986 draft got more with their pick than the Celtics did with the #2 pick in the draft. Just a disgruntled Boston fan and his two pennies :-)
post #28 of 35
I'd like to nominate every single draft pick ever made by the Timberwolves, save "” obviously "” Garnett in '95 and maybe Szczerbiak in '99. If the "worst" label were applied on the aggregate of all a franchise's picks, the 'Wolves win in a run-away.
post #29 of 35
How about Grant Hill? A great player with excellent talent, but he has been plagued by injuries.
post #30 of 35
No way it's Grant Hill. Remember, he and Jason Kidd were NBA co-Rookies of the Year in '93-'94. He played quite well with the Pistons(remember how many triple-doubles he put up?), but that ankle injury robbed him of a good part of what could have been his peak years.
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