OK - Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I tried on some of the Gap 1969 jeans, and while they're nice, I didn't like the cuts. I also looked at J. Crew, but wasn't impressed and we don't have H&M in Phoenix. So what did I do - I wandered into a little denim boutique in Scottsdale and told them I was looking for jeans. I tried on a pair of Earnest Sewns, two pairs of something else (some Italian designer) and the pair I eventually bought - Meltin' Pots... which sent my idea of buying inexpensive jeans down the tubes. Apparently these are big in Europe but according to the salesman, only sold in 4 stores in America - and previously only sold in this one. However, it doesn't really matter how many places sell them - the main thing is - I absolutely loved the fit and the look. I'll try and take a picture and post it in the denim pictures thread. Thanks again everyone for all your help. Bradford P.S. CTGuy - Carhartts are readily available out here - I actually know of a store that specializes in them, but as I don't work on a ranch I would look kind of funny wearing them. When I'm looking to cowboy up, I pull on my Wranglers that you buy extra long so they stack up on your boot heels.