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post #16 of 61
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People hear "dandy" and they think "fop", like that dude Tim Roth played in Rob Roy. Or worse. Of course, I mean it in the Brummellian sense of elegance, restraint, perfect fit, pristine cut, etc., and I say so. But if people are so turned off by the title that they never pick up the book, then my explanation won't do me (or the publisher) a lot of good. That's the fear, anyway.
post #17 of 61
There exists a fine line between well-dressed and trying too hard (in my world, at least), and showing my friends (via book) that I fancy myself a dandy would place me well into trying too hard territory. I know I'm probably not the exact target market for the book anyway (college student), but I'd imagine my feelings are present in the intended audience as well. EDIT: Exactly, Manton. I still think "fop" when I hear "dandy," even though I'm fairly well-versed (compared to most) in the esoteric subject matter of the book.
post #18 of 61
I don't want to detract from the scholarship in the book but you may want to title/subtitle akin to the Emily post etiquette books - the ettiquete of dressing appropriately and properly - of being elegant.    Harper business could pitch it to corporations as mindfood for their budding corporate clones.  Just so that the newly promoted exec does not attempt to impress a critical new client by wearing his newly acquired 5 button single breasted monstrosity. I am sure there are people here who are better at marketing than me.   If you like my suggestions, I request an autographed first edition. -
post #19 of 61
I really think you should call it "Trump Style."
post #20 of 61
Alternate titles: The Super Badass Who Still Must Wear Clothes The Well-Dressed Guy Who's Still Super Manly The Dandy, GUNS, TRUCKS AND POWER TOOLS Style Forum: The Book (starring J) (as told to Manton)
post #21 of 61
The first time I've encountered the concept of Dandyism (English is not my first language) was when I was reading criticism of Eugene Onegin by A.S. Pushkin. Yevgeny was described as sort of one of the prominent figures of 18th century concept of dandyism. I guess I've always thought of it as quite a negative trait (read: vain, shallow, and a cad), and therefore was a bit apprehensive of the title. However, I simply assumed that my understanding of the definition was very different from the accepted usage. In any case, it's interesting to see that others have negative connotations of the word, although not for the same reasons. Looking forward to the book, Manton.
post #22 of 61
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Is that title final? I want this book, but I don't know if I'd want to leave it sitting out where others could see with that title.
If the proposed title were Shut Your F***ing Face, Uncle F***er, I'd see your point. As it is, the word dandy has some negative connotations as it is commonly used, but it's relatively benign. Given what Manton is trying to accomplish with this book, I can't think of a title that works better than The Dandy. If I could think of another word that carries the meaning that Manton imputes to "dandy" in his book, I would suggest it. As it is, I can't, and I don't think that other titles that I have seen suggested would work. This book will hardly spend 52 weeks on the New York Times best seller list. It will appeal to hard-core Italian Renaissance literature junkies and to those very interested in men's clothing. The first group will love the title; the second won't care.
post #23 of 61
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If the proposed title were Shut Your F***ing Face, Uncle F***er, I'd see your point. As it is, the word dandy has some negative connotations as it is commonly used, but it's relatively benign. Given what Manton is trying to accomplish with this book, I can't think of a title that works better than The Dandy. If I could think of another word that carries the meaning that Manton imputes to "dandy" in his book, I would suggest it. As it is, I can't, and I don't think that other titles that I have seen suggested would work. This book will hardly spend 52 weeks on the New York Times best seller list. It will appeal to hard-core Italian Renaissance literature junkies and to those very interested in men's clothing. The first group will love the title; the second won't care.
One could always take inspiration from Baldessare Castiglione and call it The Modern Courtier, p'raps, but then we mix our Renaissance writers, don't we?
post #24 of 61
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One could always take inspiration from Baldessare Castiglione and call it The Modern Courtier, p'raps, but then we mix our Renaissance writers, don't we?
Yes, but the mixture of themes is even more objectionable.
post #25 of 61
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Alternate titles: The Super Badass Who Still Must Wear Clothes The Well-Dressed Guy Who's Still Super Manly The Dandy, GUNS, TRUCKS AND POWER TOOLS Style Forum: The Book (starring J) (as told to Manton)
Haha. Those are good. How about "Full Throtle Fashion: A Nascar Fan's Guide to Dressing Well"
post #26 of 61
How about Fashion for the Gentleman or Gentlemanly Fashion or something along those lines? It's not as academic-sounding as The Dandy, but Manton has said that the book is more of a guide to dressing (rather than a study of dressing), so I think the title would be appropriate. No matter what connotation Manton intends when he says "Dandy," in common usage the word is more of an insult than a compliment. I don't think I've ever even heard the word used with a positive connotation outside these forums. I know the book probably doesn't have a broad audience, but it seems like calling it The Dandy would only serve to further limit it.
post #27 of 61
If I understood correctly, Manton wrote the book as a sartorial spoof on "The Prince". I can't see (well, maybe that's why I am not a publisher/editor) how you can preserve this with most of the suggestions.
post #28 of 61
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Alternate titles: The Super Badass Who Still Must Wear Clothes The Well-Dressed Guy Who's Still Super Manly The Dandy, GUNS, TRUCKS AND POWER TOOLS Style Forum: The Book (starring J) (as told to Manton)
The Dandy LOOK HOW MANY PUSH-UPS I CAN DO The Dandy YOU, ME, PARKING LOT, NOW. The Dandy OH GOD I LIKE WOMEN DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY IT'S JUST A BOOK SOMEONE LOANED ME
post #29 of 61
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People hear "dandy" and they think "fop", like that dude Tim Roth played in Rob Roy. Or worse.
The cover image needs to make it clear that your dandy is on the understated side of elegance. But on the spine only the title will be visible.
post #30 of 61
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If I understood correctly, Manton wrote the book as a sartorial spoof on "The Prince". I can't see (well, maybe that's why I am not a publisher/editor)  how you can preserve this with most of the suggestions.
Just how much is he relying on this allusion? I obviously haven't read the book, so I have no idea, but if the title is not crucial to the joke (and just how crucial is the joke?), then why risk limiting your audience over it? It's not like the title itself makes a strong allusion anyway; lots of books are called The Something. Would the reader even get the title joke unless he's read the thing (and The Prince)? He'd have to put a picture of Machiavelli in a seersucker suit on the cover.
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