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post #91 of 94
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post
And to clarify - the South wouldn't be the South without black people. Like it or not, the cultures and fates of white and black Southerners are intertwined. Many of white southerners' most cherished institutions came from black folks and, to a certain extent, vice versa. Contrary to public perception, the South is statistically the most integrated region in the US. And I love it that way. That's the new South. THAT's the South rising again.

Imagine the South without gospel music, the blues, the banjo, the food, etc. I mean damn, take all those away, turn down the thermostat and you've got Michigan or New Jersey. Who the hell would want that?

Without blacks, Jews, Italians, Asians and few others, America would be another Australia circa 1960. A shithole full of boring people eating bad food. The only culture would be country music, Nascar and bass fishing tournaments.

I'm all in favor of the New South.

Let's honor Sherman and Grant's hard work to end the Old South and give birth to the New.
post #92 of 94
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Originally Posted by NewYorkRanger View Post
FL:

"There's lies, damn lies, and statistics."
"Statistics are like a bikini, what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital."
"Do not put your faith in statistics until you have carefully considered what they do not say."

Just some famous quotes on the matter of statistics.

I for one support the notion that most Southerners fought for an ideal, Wade Hampton etc..., and that they should be honored. Perhaps that its 150 years old makes it easier to forget the horrors of what some of those ideals were in actuality. But they were, and now remain Americans, so should be honored for fighting, even if it was in a revolutionary way.

Now, while the South today may statistically be integrated, I find most southern cities and towns to be horrifically segregated when compared to the North. There are distinct "white" and "black" parts of Charleston, Savannah, Memphis, Mobile, New Orleans etc...the older the city, the more segregated they are. Rural areas are just as segregated, with black towns and white towns. While it may not be specifically racial, the economic inpact of the war, and more specifically Reconstruction and its end, has led to this continued segregation in the South well after the Supreme Court said it was illegal to do it through legislation. How many African Americans do you see on Hilton Head Island?

Even modern cities like Atlanta, have several "segregated" wealthy neighborhoods. Black elite and white elite generally don't live together there. Gnatty, I know you're in ATL, please correct me if I'm wrong.


LOLZ.

Let me paraphrase - "Here are some tired old cliches that are completely irrelevant. Now then, I know all the statistics and information back you up, but darn it, I think the South is more segregated, so there."

Shouldn't you be teaching creationism somehwre?

Statistics are meaures of information and by every measure, the South is more integrated.
post #93 of 94
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Originally Posted by NewYorkRanger View Post
It appears there are many ways to define integration. One socio-culturally and one demo-geographically. The South may not be integrated demo-geographically, but is socio-culturally.

The South is demo-geographically integrated. Do five minutes of internet research. Look into the racial utopias of Benton Harbor, Levittown, Lansing, East Patterson. You make some nebbish reference to "horrific segregation" yet completely ignore the race riots that have ravaged the rust belt.
Try using facts and logic to argue, not anecdotes.
post #94 of 94
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post
The South is demo-geographically integrated. Do five minutes of internet research. Look into the racial utopias of Benton Harbor, Levittown, Lansing, East Patterson. You make some nebbish reference to "horrific segregation" yet completely ignore the race riots that have ravaged the rust belt.
Try using facts and logic to argue, not anecdotes.

Please.

Of course, the North has segregation. Nobody would deny it.

But the South trailblazing a path to racial integration -- are you insane? I spent enough time in small Southern towns. We all knew where blacks lived.

Here's the test -- where do black professionals live? With similar whites? Or in a nicer house in an otherwise poor black neighborhood?

I seriously doubt the Southern gentry ever tolerated a black doctor moving in next door.
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