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post #46 of 94
5/11/09 at 9:07pm
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And to clarify - the South wouldn't be the South without black people. Like it or not, the cultures and fates of white and black Southerners are intertwined. Many of white southerners' most cherished institutions came from black folks and, to a certain extent, vice versa. Contrary to public perception, the South is statistically the most integrated region in the US. And I love it that way. That's the new South. THAT's the South rising again. Imagine the South without gospel music, the blues, the banjo, the food, etc. I mean damn, take all those away, turn down the thermostat and you've got Michigan or New Jersey. Who the hell would want that?
I'm from what some might call a second shelf(Northern towns in which are culturally Southern) southern part of town and my mothers root lie in Tuskegee, so I have a good amount of love for the South and like most Black am culturally southern to an extent. Still the South still has many places where it's terrible to be Black , particularly in rural Miss and LA, folks who celebrate these confederate do nothing but highlight this. Detroit(another second shelf city) did give us Motown so Michigan isn't so bad.
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post #47 of 94
5/11/09 at 9:37pm
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And to clarify - the South wouldn't be the South without black people. Like it or not, the cultures and fates of white and black Southerners are intertwined. Many of white southerners' most cherished institutions came from black folks and, to a certain extent, vice versa. Contrary to public perception, the South is statistically the most integrated region in the US. And I love it that way. That's the new South. THAT's the South rising again.

Imagine the South without gospel music, the blues, the banjo, the food, etc. I mean damn, take all those away, turn down the thermostat and you've got Michigan or New Jersey. Who the hell would want that?

Agreed. This is often lost in most threads about the south. Having been raised in New England and living in the south for quite a few years, I can attest to this firsthand. In fact, I would suspect one could encounter more racism in rural aread of the north and midwest, than in many rural areas of the south..
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post #48 of 94
5/11/09 at 9:39pm
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I'm from what some might call a second shelf(Northern towns in which are culturally Southern) southern part of town and my mothers root lie in Tuskegee, so I have a good amount of love for the South and like most Black am culturally southern to an extent. Still the South still has many places were it terrible to be Black , particularly in rural Miss and LA, folks who celebrate these confederate do nothing but highlight this.
Detroit(another second shelf city) did give us Motown so Michigan isn't so bad.

And yes, I must say that I was not referring to these areas when I said many rural areas of the south. A very good friend of mine grew up in rural MS and I thought he was pulling my leg with some of the things he used to tell me.. I do hear the ice is thawing even there, but obviously, at a a much slower pace than other areas of the south.
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post #49 of 94
5/11/09 at 9:45pm
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Imagine the South without gospel music, the blues, the banjo, the food, etc. I mean damn, take all those away, turn down the thermostat and you've got Michigan or New Jersey. Who the hell would want that?



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Detroit(another second shelf city) did give us Motown so Michigan isn't so bad.

Motown, Jerry Ford, and me. Could be worse I guess.
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post #50 of 94
5/11/09 at 11:13pm
Michigan is pretty atrocious. Ohio is better!
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post #51 of 94
5/11/09 at 11:29pm
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Detroit(another second shelf city) did give us Motown so Michigan isn't so bad.

Where do you think all those musicians came from? And where do you think their sound was born? It wasn't Michigan. Many black southerners migrated up to Detroit.

I've lived in both Michigan and Georgia. I'll take Georgia.
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post #52 of 94
5/11/09 at 11:31pm
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Con:

You dare mock the Chosen One?

As Sarek?

Most illogical.

Blasphemer!
Where are you from?
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post #53 of 94
5/11/09 at 11:32pm
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Motown, Jerry Ford, and me. Could be worse I guess.

I'm a little biased against Michiganders. When I was a teen, I worked my family's bookshop all the time. A Michigander came in and began bitching about the South. Complained about how he was sickened by all the racism down here, a few sentences later he complained we all talked like n*ggers. Needless to say, he was asked to leave the store.

FWIW, Michigan, statistically speaking, is by far the most segregated state in the union. But I realize my bias is silly.
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post #54 of 94
5/11/09 at 11:35pm
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And to clarify - the South wouldn't be the South without black people. Like it or not, the cultures and fates of white and black Southerners are intertwined. Many of white southerners' most cherished institutions came from black folks and, to a certain extent, vice versa. Contrary to public perception, the South is statistically the most integrated region in the US. And I love it that way. That's the new South. THAT's the South rising again.

Imagine the South without gospel music, the blues, the banjo, the food, etc. I mean damn, take all those away, turn down the thermostat and you've got Michigan or New Jersey. Who the hell would want that?

+1. Same thing with Mexicans in the Southwest. Some conservative talk radio acts like the Mexicans just started impacting our culture a couple of weeks back. Tell that to people in San Antonio, Santa Fe, El Paso, etc. etc. etc.
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post #55 of 94
5/11/09 at 11:36pm
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FWIW, Michigan, statistically speaking, is by far the most segregated state in the union. But I realize my bias is silly.
Michigan, as a whole, certainly. But Detroit where Jekyll is from is easily the #1 or #2 black city in the Midwest.
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post #56 of 94
5/11/09 at 11:50pm
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Where do you think all those musicians came from? And where do you think their sound was born? It wasn't Michigan. Many black southerners migrated up to Detroit.

I've lived in both Michigan and Georgia. I'll take Georgia.

Still, Detroit had a distinct sound, Stax had the more Southern and superior sound.
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post #57 of 94
5/12/09 at 12:00am
Michigan is almost two states. West and northern Michigan have little use for Detroit at times.
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post #58 of 94
5/12/09 at 12:07am
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Michigan is almost two states. West and northern Michigan have little use for Detroit at times.

Are you bummed the thread in which you advocated videotaping gay incest got squirreled? Not doing much to help out your state's reputation
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post #59 of 94
5/12/09 at 12:14am
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Are you bummed the thread in which you advocated videotaping gay incest got squirreled? Not doing much to help out your state's reputation
I actually have an intense hatred for my state. There is nothing I can say to damage its reputation that it does not deserve. Also, I'm trying to compete with West Virginia. And I think you're just annoyed that you don't have a twin.
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post #60 of 94
5/12/09 at 3:35am
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I mean damn, take all those away, turn down the thermostat and you've got Michigan or New Jersey. Who the hell would want that?

Labor unions. Something else you don't find much of in the South
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