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post #1 of 48
5/8/09 at 12:07pm
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Appreciate away. Personal pics would be nice as well.





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5/8/09 at 12:10pm
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5/8/09 at 12:11pm


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post #4 of 48
5/8/09 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by Chiaroscuro View Post
Appreciate away. Personal pics would be nice as well.






So true about those crazy crack heads. I don't know why the police go with M9s as opposed to the M1911. Muzzle volicity is key when purchasing a fire arm.
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post #5 of 48
5/8/09 at 1:32pm
A business friend came by work yesterday. He had just purchased an authentic 1911 from 1919!!! It was so nice and felt great in my hands. Still had that awkward balance all 1911's have, but it was an authentic awkward! haha
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post #6 of 48
5/8/09 at 1:34pm
I wanted to get a Yost-Bonitz custom package 1911, but they closed up shop and now Yost only offers pure customs for several thousand more.

May wind up with a Commander-sized Nighthawk Custom.


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So true about those crazy crack heads. I don't know why the police go with M9s as opposed to the M1911. Muzzle volicity is key when purchasing a fire arm.

Huh? Police (broadly speaking) rely on DAO/striker-fired pistols (Glock, XD, M&P, etc.) these days, not the Beretta 92 (M9 is a military designation).

And the muzzle velocity of a 9mm round (particularly in the pressures used for defensive/police rounds) is several hundred FPS faster than any .45 round, if you wanted to rely on that measurement.
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post #7 of 48
5/8/09 at 2:32pm
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I wanted to get a Yost-Bonitz custom package 1911, but they closed up shop and now Yost only offers pure customs for several thousand more.

May wind up with a Commander-sized Nighthawk Custom.




Huh? Police (broadly speaking) rely on DAO/striker-fired pistols (Glock, XD, M&P, etc.) these days, not the Beretta 92 (M9 is a military designation).

And the muzzle velocity of a 9mm round (particularly in the pressures used for defensive/police rounds) is several hundred FPS faster than any .45 round, if you wanted to rely on that measurement.

Sorry, I refer to all 9mm as M9s, probably because they are all useless.

With regard to your second point. You're right. 9mm rounds are about 400 FPS faster than the 1911, but with that speed you lose a lot of stopping power as that potential energy can't become kinetic energy once it hits the body. In other words too many through and throughs with that high volicity. I'll take the stopping power, mainly because I know that if I have only one bullet to fire a 9mm isn't going to stop whatever is coming at me.
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post #8 of 48
5/8/09 at 2:44pm
Sorry, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Between .45 and 9mm defensive ammunition (ie 9mm +P or +P+ and .45 in hollowpoint form, as used by police and civilians) there is negligible difference and zero concern about 'through and throughs' with the 9mm.

The modern 9mm is a perfectly acceptable defensive round.

In FMJ form, there may be some advantage to a larger, slower bullet (230gr @ 800fps vs. 124gr @ 1100fps being the general rule, I believe, though military 9mm is loaded to +P+ specs in FMJ form) in some situations, but the 9mm is also an adequate round in that form.
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post #9 of 48
5/8/09 at 3:40pm
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Sorry, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Between .45 and 9mm defensive ammunition (ie 9mm +P or +P+ and .45 in hollowpoint form, as used by police and civilians) there is negligible difference and zero concern about 'through and throughs' with the 9mm.

The modern 9mm is a perfectly acceptable defensive round.

In FMJ form, there may be some advantage to a larger, slower bullet (230gr @ 800fps vs. 124gr @ 1100fps being the general rule, I believe, though military 9mm is loaded to +P+ specs in FMJ form) in some situations, but the 9mm is also an adequate round in that form.


No it isn't. Don't listen to this guy. He's going to get you killed. Choose the 1911, choose life if your home is ever invaded. A 9mm is only going to wound somebody. It would very well mortally wound them, but they're only wounded and they can keep coming for you.

The .45 is better for home defense, since you don’t have to carry the extra weight. The 9mm can make for a better carry gun.
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post #10 of 48
5/8/09 at 3:48pm
Never been a big fan of the 1911, personally. Love the history and all that, but as a practical shooter I still like my stainless Ruger P90 SA/DA. I also don't have much time for people who say a handgun must be .45 or must be 9mm or whatever. Choose the right tool for the job - I regularly carry a .45, 9x18mm, .38+P or .357 mag. They are all good in some circumstances and bad in others ... try concealing a 1911 in active summer wear ... THAT can get you killed faster than any 9mm in some situations.
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post #11 of 48
5/8/09 at 3:51pm
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Never been a big fan of the 1911, personally. Love the history and all that, but as a practical shooter I still like my stainless Ruger P90 SA/DA. I also don't have much time for people who say a handgun must be .45 or must be 9mm or whatever. Choose the right tool for the job - I regularly carry a .45, 9x18mm, .38+P or .357 mag. They are all good in some circumstances and bad in others ... try concealing a 1911 in active summer wear ... THAT can get you killed faster than any 9mm in some situations.

What do you use is for?
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post #12 of 48
5/8/09 at 4:23pm
I like these better. This will stop anyone and has nice balance. A 1911 isn't really concealed carry anyway.
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post #13 of 48
5/8/09 at 4:58pm
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I like these better. This will stop anyone and has nice balance.





A 1911 isn't really concealed carry anyway.

Get a .50 cal 1911 from guncrafter industries. Looks better.



http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/model1_50gi.shtml
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post #14 of 48
5/8/09 at 5:17pm
Yeah, that extra .05 will make gobs of difference in "stopping someone." The idea of any caliber giving a guaranteed one-shot stop is nonsense - it's all about placement, adrenaline and tenacity.

1911s can be produced for concealed carry - the Kimber Aegis and Springfield EMP, for instance (both 9mm). I'm happy with my Walther PPS, should I ever decide I want/need to carry.

I'm with Justin re: caliber, though. More people are killed by .22-caliber firearms than any other in the world, in a given year (which is not to say you should carry one for defense - but any projectile fired with gunpowder is apt to make a very painful hole). And the .380 you carry every day is a lot more likely to save your ass than the 9mm or .45 you left at home.
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post #15 of 48
5/8/09 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by Chiaroscuro View Post
Get a .50 cal 1911 from guncrafter industries. Looks better. http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/model1_50gi.shtml
Probably dances like hell. I like the heavy slide.
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Yeah, that extra .05 will make gobs of difference in "stopping someone." The idea of any caliber giving a guaranteed one-shot stop is nonsense - it's all about placement, adrenaline and tenacity. 1911s can be produced for concealed carry - the Kimber Aegis and Springfield EMP, for instance (both 9mm). I'm happy with my Walther PPS, should I ever decide I want/need to carry. I'm with Justin re: caliber, though. More people are killed by .22-caliber firearms than any other in the world, in a given year (which is not to say you should carry one for defense - but any projectile fired with gunpowder is apt to make a very painful hole). And the .380 you carry every day is a lot more likely to save your ass than the 9mm or .45 you left at home.
I endorse this remark. In an actual carry situation, a smaller gun you actually carry is a better bet than a hand cannon. Although it's not particularly small, I like my Browing Hi-Power-14 chances are better than 7. For general shooting I like the IMI as it's a very comfortable gun to shoot.
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