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If we do enforce a dress code, it's only going to be on hip-hop nights. Security will also be more forward on those nights. The consensus in the industry seems to be that hip-hop nights inspire such bad behavior that they might not even be worth holding.
This is true. I used to go to some hiphop clubs with some friends, and one guy, who was a pretty tough dude (the guy in my original picture) would insist that we leave an hour earlier than last call, when frustrated guys (like arrogant, but real gangbangers) starting throwing up signs and starting shit. Definitely time to move on to either an afterhours, or a late night snack. The music and dancing was good, but not worth getting shot over.
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PHV, the problem with *another* trance/house club is differentiation.  Also market need--what flies in one city won't necessarily in Tampa.  I'd have to know a little more about the long-term viability of these places--who the customer base really is, and whether they stay popular after a year or two.  Just because there's always a place like this to go, doesn't mean that it's always the same one. Arrogant, I'll pick out your one good point and say that outside of Tampa, most of our research has been in Europe over the last couple of years--Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Munich, Riga, Bratislava, Budapest, Prague, Barcelona, London...  RyanAir is a beautiful thing. VKK, are you in the business?  If so I'd really appreciate it if we could talk some of the details that you mentioned.  Since my buddy is going to be moving here before me, we're working on getting him a job in a bar.   Thanks all, keep it coming. Tom
Tiger, come to Montreal. It is widely and justly regarded as one of the best clubbing cities in the world. You want to talk profitability? Go on St. Laurent on a Friday and Saturday night, and it will be packed, rain, shine, or cold as hell. And I'm not talking about one or two clubs... more like 50 all in a row. The idea that a trance/hiphop or anything can only be done once in a city is wrong. You can do anything anyone else is doing, but do it better. If I were you, I'd start small by acquiring an alright place, then sell it and go upscale. With an upscale place you have something to be proud of, less violence, and a lot of income. Yes it is hard, but anything worth doing you might as well do right.
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Montreal has been slated as the next big place in North America for a while, and the scene is pretty amazing, so PHV's idea is not unreasonable, unless, of course, you are tied down to Tampa for other reasons.
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I'm sorry but "Hip hop night" sounds extremely pedestrian and amature. It sounds like something that happens at a senior citizen's retirement home. Every night, you play music that keeps the crowd going. It's totally possible to mix house with trance, and with hip hop and even throw in a few ACDC songs. Don't pigeon hole yourself... bring in well known DJs. Another big thing is to have DJ competitions... you get free DJs and only have to pay out once for a top prize. LA guy, not to be mean but "chill out" places that you are talking about usually don't make any money. People tend to bum around and sip on the same drink for like 40 minutes while some filfthy post-rock band grinds out some depressing durge. In a club your floor is packed, all with people drinking, and because that energy is always there, guys get hornier and buy more drinks for more girls. Yes, it sounds barbaric but it's a great way to make an honest buck. Meat markets make people rich. The other problem with your type of place money wise, is that people come with friends and stay in those groups... as a club owner, you want guys buying random girls drinks... that's what makes the clubbing world go round. I agree that chill out places are cool, but they are not nearly as lucrative as a well run night club. As a sidenote, since you're from LA, have you been to the Rainbow, Whisky GoGo and other hangouts like that? I've always wanted to see what those are like, seeing as some big time Cali bands made their names there.
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I should also add that experienced bouncers know how to weed out trouble. At a lot of nice places, they don't let black people or arabs in. Typically they are the ones most likely to start trouble... good bouncers have a sixth sense for only letting people in who look like they will spend money, and won't cause trouble. I doubt that any respectable place will let in gangbangers... just so you know that if you start a nice place you won't have to deal with the dreks of society.
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Wow, PHV, you're treading on thin ice there, what with the racism and condescension. Are you and arrogant related? From tiger02's original post, it didn't sound like he wanted to run a destination club or $500-reserved table, cash-cow meatmarket, just that he wanted to run a successful club catering to locals. Maybe a little more sophisticated than TT's, but not a magnet for vacant, horny people. Correct me if I'm wrong, tiger02. I don't get out to clubbin'-type clubs much - and by far the most important thing to me is good music - not numbingly loud or necessarily live, just interesting and consistently background. I like a lounge. I'm not picky about my liquor, outside of scotch, but you better have some interesting beer and wine, with a changing cast. These are my criteria, and I admit I'm not a Cristal-chugging customer, more a $40-$50/night out type. But if it's good, I'll be there weekly, at least. I've bartended, though never in a "club", and I agree with VKK, keep an eye on your bartenders, hire wisely. EDIT: Should be noted, I guess, that I don't know jack about FL - knowledge from Philly, NYC, DC, Baltimore, London only.
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(arrogant @ June 21 2005,20:34)
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Originally Posted by LA Guy,June 21 2005,18:20
My favorite clubs have decent beer on tap, good bartenders who can mix a decent drink, a laid back atmosphere (no meathead bouncers are a must), and most importantly, don't try hard to be upscale.  No crappy modernist or postmodernist decor, and no dress code.  Make contacts and book local live bands as much as possible, but partition the club so that there is a more mellow bar area  where people can shoot the shit, play pool, etc... More later.
Are you serious??? beer on tap..Wow I am impressed... geez louise what a "baller" this LA guy... Don't spend all your pennies at once.. Ok now to the point..I totally agree with PHV. Supper clubs are the most lucrative and desired clubs to own. They attract an upscale and attractive crowd, which leads to little or no security problems... You should visit Montreal some time in order to get a good grasp on clubs as well as supper clubs... Good luck
Hey arrogant, Carefully remove stick from rectum.  You'll feel better.   I just prefer laid back rock clubs where I can here some good bands and hole-in-the-wall bars.  The Knitting Factory in L.A., and lately, the Paradise and T.T the Bear's in the Boston area.  Places like that.  What's your beef?   I've been to Montreal plenty of times (I'm a Canadian) and to most of the so-called "upscale" LA and NYC clubs, and they tend to be filled with pricks like you.  When I go to a club, it's to chill with my friends  and listen to some good music, not to have some chest thumping experience with assholes. You remind me of the "striped shirt"  guy.  Someone give me the link, will you?  I expect that you are one of those leather blazer, striped shirt and khaki dorks who spend their entire Saturday nights standing in line.  Fool.
Ok LA Guy...first off it is not my fault that you were bullied in high school and do not characterize me as some dumb idiot meathead with no style...I never ever wait in line as anyone would know that money talks.... I mean come on??what would you know about style really?? I can say that yes you do know a lot about denim and clothing (actually has helped me in some cases) but really, can you pull any of that off.. NO..your more like the fashion nerd... At the end of the day, with your type..all you can pull off is maybe a karate or ninja outfit at most ??? give it a rest shorty
post #23 of 67
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(LA Guy @ June 22 2005,07:35)
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Originally Posted by arrogant,June 21 2005,20:34
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Originally Posted by LA Guy,June 21 2005,18:20
My favorite clubs have decent beer on tap, good bartenders who can mix a decent drink, a laid back atmosphere (no meathead bouncers are a must), and most importantly, don't try hard to be upscale.  No crappy modernist or postmodernist decor, and no dress code.  Make contacts and book local live bands as much as possible, but partition the club so that there is a more mellow bar area  where people can shoot the shit, play pool, etc... More later.
Are you serious??? beer on tap..Wow I am impressed... geez louise what a "baller" this LA guy... Don't spend all your pennies at once.. Ok now to the point..I totally agree with PHV. Supper clubs are the most lucrative and desired clubs to own. They attract an upscale and attractive crowd, which leads to little or no security problems... You should visit Montreal some time in order to get a good grasp on clubs as well as supper clubs... Good luck
Hey arrogant, Carefully remove stick from rectum.  You'll feel better.   I just prefer laid back rock clubs where I can here some good bands and hole-in-the-wall bars.  The Knitting Factory in L.A., and lately, the Paradise and T.T the Bear's in the Boston area.  Places like that.  What's your beef?   I've been to Montreal plenty of times (I'm a Canadian) and to most of the so-called "upscale" LA and NYC clubs, and they tend to be filled with pricks like you.  When I go to a club, it's to chill with my friends  and listen to some good music, not to have some chest thumping experience with assholes. You remind me of the "striped shirt"  guy.  Someone give me the link, will you?  I expect that you are one of those leather blazer, striped shirt and khaki dorks who spend their entire Saturday nights standing in line.  Fool.
Ok LA Guy...first off it is not my fault that you were bullied in high school and do not characterize me as some dumb idiot meathead with no style...I never ever wait in line as anyone would know that money talks.... I mean come on??what would you know about style really?? I can say that yes you do know a lot about denim and clothing (actually has helped me in some cases) but really, can you pull any of that off.. NO..your more like the fashion nerd... At the end of the day, with your type..all you can pull off is maybe a karate or ninja outfit at most ??? give it a rest shorty
Whatever. The type of guy that says that "money talks" is usually overcompensating in a severe way. By the way, you still haven't posted a picture. What's the matter? Money talks. Characterize you as an idiot meathead? You've done that yourself son. I'm done. Post whatever you want. I am putting you as a sidekick in the marc37 and ernest category. You're just not as amusing.
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I am putting you as a sidekick in the marc37 and ernest category.
Despite the term implying some sort of equality, I'd call him a nemesis. You're lucky - I've always wanted a nemesis.
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(arrogant @ June 22 2005,09:10)
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Originally Posted by LA Guy,June 22 2005,07:35
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Originally Posted by arrogant,June 21 2005,20:34
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Originally Posted by LA Guy,June 21 2005,18:20
My favorite clubs have decent beer on tap, good bartenders who can mix a decent drink, a laid back atmosphere (no meathead bouncers are a must), and most importantly, don't try hard to be upscale.  No crappy modernist or postmodernist decor, and no dress code.  Make contacts and book local live bands as much as possible, but partition the club so that there is a more mellow bar area  where people can shoot the shit, play pool, etc... More later.
Are you serious??? beer on tap..Wow I am impressed... geez louise what a "baller" this LA guy... Don't spend all your pennies at once.. Ok now to the point..I totally agree with PHV. Supper clubs are the most lucrative and desired clubs to own. They attract an upscale and attractive crowd, which leads to little or no security problems... You should visit Montreal some time in order to get a good grasp on clubs as well as supper clubs... Good luck
Hey arrogant, Carefully remove stick from rectum.  You'll feel better.   I just prefer laid back rock clubs where I can here some good bands and hole-in-the-wall bars.  The Knitting Factory in L.A., and lately, the Paradise and T.T the Bear's in the Boston area.  Places like that.  What's your beef?   I've been to Montreal plenty of times (I'm a Canadian) and to most of the so-called "upscale" LA and NYC clubs, and they tend to be filled with pricks like you.  When I go to a club, it's to chill with my friends  and listen to some good music, not to have some chest thumping experience with assholes. You remind me of the "striped shirt"  guy.  Someone give me the link, will you?  I expect that you are one of those leather blazer, striped shirt and khaki dorks who spend their entire Saturday nights standing in line.  Fool.
Ok LA Guy...first off it is not my fault that you were bullied in high school and do not characterize me as some dumb idiot meathead with no style...I never ever wait in line as anyone would know that money talks.... I mean come on??what would you know about style really?? I can say that yes you do know a lot about denim and clothing (actually has helped me in some cases) but really, can you pull any of that off.. NO..your more like the fashion nerd... At the end of the day, with your type..all you can pull off is maybe a karate or ninja outfit at most ??? give it a rest shorty
Whatever.  The type of guy that says that "money talks" is usually overcompensating in a severe way.  By the way, you still haven't posted a picture.  What's the matter?  Money talks.   Characterize you as an idiot meathead?  You've done that yourself son. I'm done.  Post whatever you want.  I am putting you as a sidekick in the marc37 and ernest category.  You're just not as amusing.
What's your obsession with me posting a picture?? I will put it to you this way.....I am your dream: 6''3 and caucasian.... Money can buy a lot of things.... however height and race (michael jackson being the exception) are some things money can't buy, for everything else there's Mastercard...or in your case, pennies to buy your beer on tap
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Oh and LA Guy please stop "PM" me as I know you admire me but I am heterosexual and do not want to meet with you or your phone number....
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Wow, PHV, you're treading on thin ice there, what with the racism and condescension. Are you and arrogant related? From tiger02's original post, it didn't sound like he wanted to run a destination club or $500-reserved table, cash-cow meatmarket, just that he wanted to run a successful club catering to locals. Maybe a little more sophisticated than TT's, but not a magnet for vacant, horny people. Correct me if I'm wrong, tiger02. I don't get out to clubbin'-type clubs much - and by far the most important thing to me is good music - not numbingly loud or necessarily live, just interesting and consistently background. I like a lounge. I'm not picky about my liquor, outside of scotch, but you better have some interesting beer and wine, with a changing cast. These are my criteria, and I admit I'm not a Cristal-chugging customer, more a $40-$50/night out type. But if it's good, I'll be there weekly, at least. I've bartended, though never in a "club", and I agree with VKK, keep an eye on your bartenders, hire wisely. EDIT: Should be noted, I guess, that I don't know jack about FL - knowledge from Philly, NYC, DC, Baltimore, London only.
How the hell is that racism? It isn't me refusing certain people at the door, I'm just saying that's what happens at most nice places. O, and just to let you know, most bars and clubs are meat markets to some degree. And LA Guy, I really don't know what it is with the picture thing... if you don't agree with arrogant then take him up on his points... you have a fiance so why do you want the picture of some dude?
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Nurse.
post #29 of 67
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I agree that chill out places are cool, but they are not nearly as lucrative as a well run night club. As a sidenote, since you're from LA, have you been to the Rainbow, Whisky GoGo and other hangouts like that? I've always wanted to see what those are like, seeing as some big time Cali bands made their names there.
Well, I'll ignore the other comments because I do think that you are treading on thin ice. Unfortunately, of all the provinces in Canada, I've found that Quebecois are more prone to be xenophobic and racist, although I'd expect a Montrealer to be a little more open minded. Yes, I've been to the Rainbow Room and Whiskey's and all those places. The Whiskey for one is *definitely* of the chilled out variety of clubs. Don't get me wrong, guys buy drinks for girls in pretty much every club (I'm not talking bars here, which are a different animal altogether), but it's not aggressive like the Century Club or Miyagi's or some meat market like that. At Whiskey's, there is music (sometimes), and people are buying drinks, and just generally enjoying themselves, at a table if they are lucky. And that place has been in business a *long* time. Even at the "now" places, like the Standard was a few years back, there was more emphasis on sitting around, chilling out, talking to girls, etc... A good whiskey could run you $30, easy, and definitely girls were bought drinks at about $12 bucks a shot, not including tip, but most people were sitting around the pool on pool loungers hanging out, not grinding desperately. Just saying that there are more ways to run a lucrative club than to make it a meat market - great bands, good vibe, decent beer (because people like beer) and liquor. I know plenty of chill places that have weathered the years much better than hot destination clubs that start up and then burn out,
post #30 of 67
Rich, white, tall, angry, and irritating; not at all entertaining... I don't know what brought this on, but I'm getting really tired of it.
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