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post #31 of 49
Most people should do fron squats instead of back squats to start as it's hard to have bad form with those. I do one oly lift, or varation thereof, everytime I workout. I think a lot of studies on sports training are starting to filter down and people are realizing that oly lifts are what develop the speed and power most people want from their training. I picked up Coach Dos' book and anyone looking for intro to functional sports training, I'd highly recommend it. Here are his forums, and he'll actually answer any questions you have after reading the book, which is a huge bonus imho. http://coachdos.activeboard.com/foru...forumID=112122
post #32 of 49
Anyway, if you want large calves you need to squat deep -- like hamstrings touching the calves deep. The calf is a biarticulate muscle and has the most strength toward the larger joint (ie. the knee). It works in conjunctions with the hamstring on during deep leg extensions.

Calf raises are ineffective for training the calves because the gastrocnemius' tension potential is much lower when the leg is extended. The soleus has limited potential for growth.
post #33 of 49
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i find squatting effects my quads, glutes and calves most. only thing that effectively stimulates my hams are glute/ham raises.
post #34 of 49
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There's nothing wrong with that.
While they're on their toes leaning forward? You're right though, different body mechanics mean some can be doing it correct and have this happen.
post #35 of 49
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While they're on their toes leaning forward? .

Being on their toes leaning forward is an issue, but having the knees pass the toes is totally nonsensical since things like foot size end up making a difference in form...
post #36 of 49
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Anyway, if you want large calves you need to squat deep -- like hamstrings touching the calves deep. The calf is a biarticulate muscle and has the most strength toward the larger joint (ie. the knee). It works in conjunctions with the hamstring on during deep leg extensions.

Calf raises are ineffective for training the calves because the gastrocnemius' tension potential is much lower when the leg is extended. The soleus has limited potential for growth.

Thanks for that- I'm doing legs today and will give this a go. The growth I'm looking for is in the gastrocnemius (I'm looking for some hard definition in both heads) anyway.

If I was to turn this in to an effective isolation, could I simply do calve raises in a deep squat using a barbell to weight myself?
post #37 of 49
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Thanks for that- I'm doing legs today and will give this a go. The growth I'm looking for is in the gastrocnemius (I'm looking for some hard definition in both heads) anyway. If I was to turn this in to an effective isolation, could I simply do calve raises in a deep squat using a barbell to weight myself?
No, calf raises work the calves via the ankle joint and not the knee. That's the problem.
post #38 of 49
Running barefoot or with Vibram Five Fingers shoes will improve your calf musculature. Running in modern running shoes largely ignores the calf muscles.
post #39 of 49
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being fat is best for huge calves. ever notice that? lot of weight to support.
post #40 of 49
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No, calf raises work the calves via the ankle joint and not the knee. That's the problem.

Okay.

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being fat is best for huge calves. ever notice that? lot of weight to support.

I always wonder what that would look like if they ever lost 50 lbs. I've seen some absolutely massive calves on fat people.
post #41 of 49
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Running barefoot or with Vibram Five Fingers shoes will improve your calf musculature. Running in modern running shoes largely ignores the calf muscles.

+1 I tried running barefoot after having previously run only in running shoes and the calf muscles are engaged a LOT more.
post #42 of 49
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i go to synergy, which has been nice enough to accommodate my requests for thick bars and trap bars and such.

What's the difference between trap bar deadlifts and olympic bar deadlifts? I mean, I know what the difference is but what do the trap bar deadlifts do for someone?
post #43 of 49
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you stand in the middle of it as opposed to shrugging to the front or back.
post #44 of 49
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+1 I tried running barefoot after having previously run only in running shoes and the calf muscles are engaged a LOT more.

I'm guessing that without the support of shoes you're forced stay on your toes in order to keep your heel from being bruised.

Just had my pre-workout meal. The banana is nice, but I'd like to go on record that I have yet to find anything as disgusting as whey+water.

I'm interested to know how my knees are going to react to really deep squats. Anyone think this should be a problem?
post #45 of 49
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I'm guessing that without the support of shoes you're forced stay on your toes in order to keep your heel from being bruised. Just had my pre-workout meal. The banana is nice, but I'd like to go on record that I have yet to find anything as disgusting as whey+water. I'm interested to know how my knees are going to react to really deep squats. Anyone think this should be a problem?
You are right as to why shoes lessen the use of calves. There has been a lot of research done by very reputable institutions on how running shoes are essentially useless, increase the likelihood of injury, and are unnatural. I've felt these effects firsthand so I have some interest in the subject. But that's another discussion*. Your knees should be fine if you keep good form - however I am not a doctor so I can't prove it. I've been doing ass-to-grass squats for years with no leg injuries at all. It feels great too. *http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...ste-money.html
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