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post #1126 of 1829
Haven't really been following the thread, but I thought you guys would appreciate the iGentyness of this Brooks ad:

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post #1127 of 1829
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

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Is that NOS or new/reproduction? Either way, very cool!!
post #1128 of 1829
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Originally Posted by venessian View Post

I see.
Yes, stem adapters are a compromise, but you're right in that old quill stems and associated bars are much heavier and less convenient than modern stems and OS bars. There were, in the last days of quills, a few stems with removeable face-plates, but they're hard to find these days. Deda Murex stems were good, removeable, and are still available, but they require a 26.0 bar.



Really I think that it's a bit of an exageration to say quill stems and bars are much heavier, especially compared to a threadless quill adapter and you can buy modern 26 and 25.4 bars, Nitto for example make some pretty light ones. Either way the weight is pretty insignificant overall, probably less than a full bottle in one of those cages and certainly not worth spoiling the asthetic of a very cool build. I'm really digging the yellow paint, also curious if it is NOS the RB-1 is a really nice frame, I used to have a track bike made out of Ishiwata tubes.

I have a CAAD 8 (original made in USA) built up with Dura-ace and Ultegra and an old Pinarello with SLX tubes built with Athena 11 speed. If you pick up both bikes the Cannondale is noticably lighter but in the saddle it is much harder to tell. I generally only use the Cannondale if I'm doing significant climbing, the Pinarello is much more comfortable on flats and rollers.
Edited by Fang66 - 11/30/11 at 12:58pm
post #1129 of 1829
^
I am not a weight weenie by any means. I used to be really into that for a short time, but I found it was essentially a meaningless exercise. Years ago, the rule was to spend $1 for every gram saved, then that became $2/gram saved, etc.....

These days, I don't know what the average $/gram saved ratio is but it is much higher than that. To build a UCI-limit 6.8 kg complete bike these days is a costly venture. To produce a WW 4+/5 kg complete bike is a really costly venture.... Ridiculous expenses and potentially risky components, imo.

I have not advocated "weight savings" on LawrenceMB's beautiful RB-1; quite the opposite in fact. I have already stated twice that I find the cf cages on that build really incongruous and distracting.

The fact remains, though, that older quill stems and associated bars are heavier than today's stems and alu or cf bars, They just are, even any modern Nitto combo. Nitto make great stuff, but lightweight they are not. None of their bars are close to the weight of a Kestrel EMS Pro, for example, if one is into the gram-counting thing. However, no matter what bar/stem combo is used, on a threaded steel fork the quill adapter is obviously going to add weight, effectively negating any bar/stem weifght savings.

I absolutely agree that most ww "savings" is noticeable only on the scale, and not on the road. The only place I think lighter components really "help" (I think they really don't matter that much to a non-pro rider) are in rotating weight, especially the wheelset. Cages? Saddles? Etc? No real discernable difference.




Those CAAD 8s are excellent frames.


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Originally Posted by aragon765 View Post

Is that NOS or new/reproduction? Either way, very cool!!
Since LMD hasn't replied yet: he posted here or in a PM that his RB-1 is NOS, 1993. Awesome frame, all Ishiwata steel, Ritchey double-plate crown fork, fantastic color; really the best year for that model.
Edited by venessian - 11/30/11 at 2:37pm
post #1130 of 1829
Oops.
post #1131 of 1829
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Originally Posted by venessian View Post

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I am not a weight weenie by any means. I used to be really into that for a short time, but I found it was essentially a meaningless exercise. Years ago, the rule was to spend $1 for every gram saved, then that became $2/gram saved, etc.....
These days, I don't know what the average $/gram saved ratio is but it is much higher than that. To build a UCI-limit 6.8 kg complete bike these days is a costly venture. To produce a WW 4+/5 kg complete bike is a really costly venture.... Ridiculous expenses and potentially risky components, imo.
I have not advocated "weight savings" on LawrenceMB's beautiful RB-1; quite the opposite in fact. I have already stated twice that I find the cf cages on that build really incongruous and distracting.
The fact remains, though, that older quill stems and associated bars are heavier than today's stems and alu or cf bars, They just are, even any modern Nitto combo. Nitto make great stuff, but lightweight they are not. None of their bars are close to the weight of a Kestrel EMS Pro, for example, if one is into the gram-counting thing. However, no matter what bar/stem combo is used, on a threaded steel fork the quill adapter is obviously going to add weight, effectively negating any bar/stem weifght savings.
I absolutely agree that most ww "savings" is noticeable only on the scale, and not on the road. The only place I think lighter components really "help" (I think they really don't matter that much to a non-pro rider) are in rotating weight, especially the wheelset. Cages? Saddles? Etc? No real discernable difference.




Those CAAD 8s are excellent frames.



Since LMD hasn't replied yet: he posted here or in a PM that his RB-1 is NOS, 1993. Awesome frame, all Ishiwata steel, Ritchey double-plate crown fork, fantastic color; really the best year for that model.



Pretty much agree with everything you said here. I find the stem/bar setup the most incongruous part though although that is being nitpicky about a bike I'd be proud to own.

When I built the Pinarello I wanted a bar that had a traditionalish bend but with a flat area and front/back chanelling for Campy brifters. It was pretty tough to find I think eventually I went with a 3T bar. I built up a steel frame for my wife at the same time and I think I couldn't find the 3T bar narrow enough for her so I used a Nitto bar with single channel. Both bars are aluminium and pretty damn light, of course the stems are heavyish, but pretty.
post #1132 of 1829
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Originally Posted by aragon765 View Post

Is that NOS or new/reproduction? Either way, very cool!!

its a NOS frame. a bike mechanic put it up on Craigslist (Philadelphia) and I was searching through my local NYC craigslist and it popped out on the "nearby" listings. I didn't really believe the price, but I contacted the guy and he offered to build it up for me at his shop (which specializes in custom appointment-only customer service).

So my wife and I made the drive down and it was all legit. It turns out that the bike mechanic wanted to keep the frame but it just didn't fit him (he has short arms and a short torso) but did have it built up with a Campy Chorus build that looked very pretty. The frame was in NOS condition and was actually inexpensive price (he was was just trying to recoup his costs).


here's the bike in "commuter mode": fenders, bike bell, and lights:

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post #1133 of 1829
Very nice. Seems you will be riding in the rain so did you/the mechanic rust proof the frame?
post #1134 of 1829
I just ordered custom wool jerseys for me and my wife. I have to say, I'm really proud of my clever idea.

They are black with a stripe of white and a smaller stripe of red below that along the chest. LS for her, SS for me. I'm having embroidered on the white stripe "Team H-D" (our nickname for ourselves) and below that in the red "Since 2006" (the year we were married). It'll be in an old-school looking script font.

I'm just praying they are done and shipped before Christmas.

Ah, here's a photo of the SS version. Ours will have a different font. But you get the idea.
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post #1135 of 1829
Total noob w.r.t to bikes. Help me a out a bit.

I want to buy a bike to ride around 7-8 kms early in the morning to get some exercise. I see a shop on my way to work which seems to have good bikes though the shop seems to be owned by one of India's mass cycle manufacturers. So, I stopped there today and learnt that the bikes in the window are the imported stuff and the mass cycle co is now the Indian agent for the following companies

1. Cannondale
2. Bianchi
3. GT
4. Mongoose
5. Schwinn

How are these brands ?

If I want a basic bike for exercise on BAD roads, waht kind of bike should I buy ?

Basically, I have zero knowledge of bikes. Where should I start to learn a bit ?

Thanks for your help/
post #1136 of 1829
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Originally Posted by aj_del View Post

Total noob w.r.t to bikes. Help me a out a bit.

I want to buy a bike to ride around 7-8 kms early in the morning to get some exercise. I see a shop on my way to work which seems to have good bikes though the shop seems to be owned by one of India's mass cycle manufacturers. So, I stopped there today and learnt that the bikes in the window are the imported stuff and the mass cycle co is now the Indian agent for the following companies

1. Cannondale
2. Bianchi
3. GT
4. Mongoose
5. Schwinn

How are these brands ?

If I want a basic bike for exercise on BAD roads, waht kind of bike should I buy ?

Basically, I have zero knowledge of bikes. Where should I start to learn a bit ?

Thanks for your help/

Except for Bianchi, I think those brands are all owned by parent company Dorel.
I'd tend to avoid Schwinn because a lot of their product is pure crap but their higher end models are okay.

7-8km is a really short distance to ride so probably anything you get short of a road bike will fit your needs.
If the roads are really that crappy, I'd probably look at getting a mtn bike and putting slick/semi-slick tires on it.
Probably anything from Cannondale or Bianchi would be more than okay.
I don't know much about GT or Mongoose.

Just pick a price you want to spend. Bikes are pretty much a commodity at the mass market level.
post #1137 of 1829
^ gt bikes seems like a good bargain. I've seen mountain bikers on their entry level avalanche models and they seem to be holding up well. mongoose has also been stepping up its presence lately in the market, specially in the all mountain field. they do have commuter bikes at the $700 range that doesn't look so bad.... also, how do you define "bad" roads? if its like fire trails then you could save your money by getting a commuter bike or a mountain bike with urban tires and a rigid fork, if the road's anything like cross country trails, then you might wanna consider getting mountain tires and a low travel suspension fork.
post #1138 of 1829
Thanks for your comments.

Regarding roads, I am in Delhi and the condition of roads can be pretty bad especially after rains.

The complete range of what is available can be found at http://www.trackandtrail.in/

I am thinking of something simple like these.

http://www.trackandtrail.in/hybrid-traffic-3.0.asp

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http://www.trackandtrail.in/Schwinn-2012-Slicker.asp

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post #1139 of 1829
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Originally Posted by aj_del View Post

Thanks for your comments.
Regarding roads, I am in Delhi and the condition of roads can be pretty bad especially after rains.

Can I infer from that that the roads are not always paved?. If that is the case, I'd go for something with front suspension. Perhaps one of those GT "beginner" bikes. I think the 2.0 model has braze-ons for installing a rack on the rear, which you might find to be useful. (The paint job might be fooling me into thinking that.) Either way, I'd consider that.
post #1140 of 1829
Roads are regularly paved, but the material used is poor, so after the rains, there are some craters
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