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Why MF Grimm is better then MF Doom

post #1 of 15
4/30/09 at 2:49pm
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I mostly avoid underground hip hop now, the vitality and relevance of their mainstream peers is generally far more interesting, but there are a few underground artists I keep coming back too (El-p, some of his Def Jux contemporaries e.t.c) but one underground rapper I particularly love is MF Grimm. MF Grimm, a largely unknown figure even by the standards of underground rap, blows his better-known contemporary out of the water. In a genre filled with tough guy posturing and braggadocio, MF Grimm stands out with a pretty unimpeachable gangster pedigree: he did hard time for convictions as an arms dealer, not a drug dealer, but an arms dealer. Grimm eschews constant guest spots, sneaker endorsements and Adult Swim collaborations in favor of no-nonsense gritty, yet-literate records. His beats are pared-down and minimal, and he manages to come across as witty and smart, without the pseudo-intellectual posturing that can make underground hip hop so insufferable. While MF Doom seems to make the same album over and over again, Grimm is less prolific, but has a far more varied ouevre. One of my favorite hip hop records, straight up is Grimm's magnum opus: The Downfall of Ibilys, A Ghetto opera. Highly recommended listening.
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post #2 of 15
4/30/09 at 3:00pm
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One of my favorite Grimm tracks:

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post #3 of 15
4/30/09 at 3:03pm
Yeah but when you listen to their songs, Grimm makes you sad and Doom makes you happy, well at least until like 2004 or whenever Doom started to get too silly. Never liked Grimm too too much though.
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post #4 of 15
4/30/09 at 4:14pm
It's GM Grimm now. Anyway he's a good rapper but that's no call to diss Doom. Grimm's beats are often lacking.
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post #5 of 15
4/30/09 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by Magician View Post
I mostly avoid underground hip hop now, the vitality and relevance of their mainstream peers is generally far more interesting, but there are a few underground artists I keep coming back too (El-p, some of his Def Jux contemporaries e.t.c) but one underground rapper I particularly love is MF Grimm.

MF Grimm, a largely unknown figure even by the standards of underground rap, blows his better-known contemporary out of the water.

In a genre filled with tough guy posturing and braggadocio, MF Grimm stands out with a pretty unimpeachable gangster pedigree: he did hard time for convictions as an arms dealer, not a drug dealer, but an arms dealer. Grimm eschews constant guest spots, sneaker endorsements and Adult Swim collaborations in favor of no-nonsense gritty, yet-literate records.

His beats are pared-down and minimal, and he manages to come across as witty and smart, without the pseudo-intellectual posturing that can make underground hip hop so insufferable. While MF Doom seems to make the same album over and over again, Grimm is less prolific, but has a far more varied ouevre.

One of my favorite hip hop records, straight up is Grimm's magnum opus: The Downfall of Iblys, A Hip Hop opera. Highly recommended listening.

Shouldn't that be "he's done". This guy seems over hyped to me. Most "underground" rappers are there because they blow. The thing to do now is listen to mix tapes. Mostly stuff from DJ Whoo Kid.

BTW I don't think this guy is moving cases of AK's or any thing, he probably just tried to sell a slingshot.
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post #6 of 15
4/30/09 at 5:21pm
Dude he's paralyzed from gunshot wounds, and he was sentenced to life in prison.
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post #7 of 15
4/30/09 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by dusty View Post
It's GM Grimm now.
Hah, thanks. Goes to show how much I've been sleeping on the underground. I assume this came out of conflict with Doom?
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Originally Posted by Slopho View Post
Shouldn't that be "he's done". This guy seems over hyped to me. Most "underground" rappers are there because they blow. The thing to do now is listen to mix tapes. Mostly stuff from DJ Whoo Kid.
Read the first sentence of my post. Also, he was shot ten times, and as Dusty said, given a life sentence.
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post #8 of 15
4/30/09 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by Magician View Post
I mostly avoid underground hip hop now, the vitality and relevance of their mainstream peers is generally far more interesting
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Originally Posted by Slopho View Post
Shouldn't that be "he's done". This guy seems over hyped to me. Most "underground" rappers are there because they blow. The thing to do now is listen to mix tapes. Mostly stuff from DJ Whoo Kid.
You're like 5 years too late on mix tapes being 'the thing to listen to'. Now mixtapes are nothing but junk and unoriginality following a quantity over quality mindset.
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post #9 of 15
4/30/09 at 5:42pm
I don't give a shit about rapper's personal lives. Good production is basically the only reason I can listen to MF Doom, though.
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post #10 of 15
4/30/09 at 6:12pm
Not feelin' the track in the youtube; based on that track alone I'd think MF Doom has more creative beats.
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post #11 of 15
4/30/09 at 8:33pm
The key to DOOM is that in a genre filled with tough guy posturing and braggadocio, he doesn't embody that cliche. He has rhyme skill, interesting beats and samples, and does not need the credibility of having served a dime or been shot.

DOOM is kind of a nerd when you think about it. Just look at the style, and content of MM FOOD. it's the anti-thesis to tough guy hip hop culture.

And yet, wipes the floor with his rhymes. That's why DOOM prevails over a dude whose been shot.

"what up? to all rappers shut up witcha shuttin up, and keep a shirt on - at least a button up."
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post #12 of 15
5/1/09 at 4:27pm
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You're like 5 years too late on mix tapes being 'the thing to listen to'. Now mixtapes are nothing but junk and unoriginality following a quantity over quality mindset.

No you're wrong. I think it depends on who the DJ is. There's a lot of free styles and stuff that I actually like. I recently heard a Redman freestyle. I thought he was washed up, but after hearing that...not anymore.
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post #13 of 15
5/6/09 at 11:27am
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No you're wrong. I think it depends on who the DJ is. There's a lot of free styles and stuff that I actually like. I recently heard a Redman freestyle. I thought he was washed up, but after hearing that...not anymore.

You thought Redman was washed up?

Just go back to listening to corney ass Lil Wayne mix tapes ..
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post #14 of 15
5/6/09 at 11:51am
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You thought Redman was washed up?

Just go back to listening to corney ass Lil Wayne mix tapes ..

Ok.
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post #15 of 15
5/6/09 at 4:13pm
I guess a life sentence aint what it used to be.
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