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post #31 of 106
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The A8 is NOT on the same platform as the Phaeton or the Bentley Continental (GT or Flying Spur). VAG is currently considering the use of the A8 platform on the 2011 model of the Phaeton to save costs. The Phaeton platform was built exclusively for the Phaeton and was later shared with the Bentley. As far as parts, the A8 doesn't share any with the Bentley or Phaeton aside from the basic engines.
The VW Phaeton and Bentley are on the D1 platform and the Audi is on the D3 platform....the only difference between the two is steel vs aluminum...all three cars are pigs and they all drive alike they all share basic drive train components.
post #32 of 106
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The VW Phaeton and Bentley are on the D1 platform and the Audi is on the D3 platform....the only difference between the two is steel vs aluminum...all three cars are pigs and they all drive alike they all share basic drive train components.
Lol.................. Please stop the misinformation, they are not the same platform. The D1 is a stand-alone platform that was specifically developed for the Phaeton and Bentley under code name VW611. Take the time out to research your points before sharing them because the ones who don't know will innocently carry the misinformation and spread it on. And by the way, it is obvious you have never driven any of them because if you have you would NEVER say they drive alike.
post #33 of 106
I'd go with the Lexus. I gave up on BMW when they started making their 3, 5, and 7 series cars look so similar. However, if your daily commute includes the Autobahn, then by all means, go with the BMW.
post #34 of 106
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Lol.................. Please stop the misinformation, they are not the same platform. The D1 is a stand-alone platform that was specifically developed for the Phaeton and Bentley under code name VW611. Take the time out to research your points before sharing them because the ones who don't know will innocently carry the misinformation and spread it on. And by the way, it is obvious you have never driven any of them because if you have you would NEVER say they drive alike.
I have driven all of them...My mom briefly had a V8 Phaeton, my dad had an A8 but we tested the A8L as well, and my dad also had a Continental GT...The short wheel base A8 is the best driving of them all the other ones feel enormous and very much alike...the most notable difference is that the Audi has heavier steering and a more taunt ride...none of them are particularly comfortable though.
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post #35 of 106
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I have driven all of them...My mom briefly had a V8 Phaeton, my dad had an A8 but we tested the A8L as well, and my dad also had a Continental GT...The short wheel base A8 is the best driving of them all the other ones feel enormous and very much alike...the most notable difference is that the Audi has heavier steering and a more taunt ride...none of them are particularly comfortable though.

Very nice. Is that a Maser?

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The factory GS will be a little conservative as far as appearance. Personally, I wouldn't have any Lexus, BMW or Mercedes with factory wheels. Wheels make a car. With the right wheel, it can improve the cars appearance (and performance) by ten-fold.

AMG and Alpina wheels are nice. I'm not a fan of the hunchback GS.
post #36 of 106
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I have driven all of them...I have driven the V8 Phaeton, the A8, A8L, and the Continental GT...The short wheel base A8 is the best driving of them all the other ones feel enormous and very much alike...the most notable difference is that the Audi has heavier steering and a more taunt ride...none of them are particularly comfortable though.

Well, I own both an Audi A8L and a W12 Phaeton besides I have had the pleasure of driving my friend's B Conti GT enough times so I am telling you authoritatively that they DO NOT drive alike. Admittedly, in the Phaeton & Conti, anyone that drives either for the first time may think that the steering is 'light' because of the Servotronic steering where the degree of assist of the power steering system increases at very low speeds, and decreases at high speeds. This is a very effective and intelligent design from an engineering point of view, but it takes a little while to get used to.
post #37 of 106
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Well, I own both an Audi A8L and a W12 Phaeton besides I have had the pleasure of driving my friend's B Conti GT enough times so I am telling you authoritatively that they DO NOT drive alike. Admittedly, in the Phaeton & Conti, anyone that drives either for the first time may think that the steering is 'light' because of the Servotronic steering where the degree of assist of the power steering system increases at very low speeds, and decreases at high speeds. This is a very effective and intelligent design from an engineering point of view, but it takes a little while to get used to.

Yes I agree that variable assist steering is nice but the in the case of the Phaeton and the Bentley I would say it is over assisted. Mercedes and BMW have a similar system and they do not feel as sloppy and loose in low speed maneuvers.

When it comes to the similarity in drive I am just referring to the vague steering at low speeds (Bentley and VW) and the wooden brake feel (all of them).

...the suspensions might be all different but are none the less harsh for a luxury car. Yes there are obvious differences in power between the cars and in this sense they do not drive the same.
post #38 of 106
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Well, I own both an Audi A8L and a W12 Phaeton besides I have had the pleasure of driving my friend's B Conti GT enough times so I am telling you authoritatively that they DO NOT drive alike. Admittedly, in the Phaeton & Conti, anyone that drives either for the first time may think that the steering is 'light' because of the Servotronic steering where the degree of assist of the power steering system increases at very low speeds, and decreases at high speeds. This is a very effective and intelligent design from an engineering point of view, but it takes a little while to get used to.
I'm a fan of the W12 Phaeton. It drives very nicely, but I agree that the steering is a bit over assisted. Nice car.
post #39 of 106
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I have a GS myself and I would never own a 5 series over it. Here are some pics from clublexus that should convince you. Most of these pics are 06-07 models, which are pretty much identical to the 09's except a small change in the front end, and the turn-signal mirrors.
Another Japanese blah-mobile. Looks like a Buick, drives like one too, except quieter. The juvenile bling bling (or homeboy chrome) rims just make it look like someone got their mom's car and is trying to make it look cool.
post #40 of 106
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I can't stand the paint on the new BMWs. Tons of orange peel. Not just on base 3-series, but on top-of-the-line M's. I just don't understand how quality control lets them through like that. And yes, it's a nitpick, but if you're spending $45k+ on a car, I think its paint should be up to snuff with cheap imports. (and no, I'm not a BMW hater. I have a 5-series and love it, just wish the paint were better)

This is not a nitpick. The black 335s I test drove looked like they'd been painted at Maaco.
post #41 of 106
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Another Japanese blah-mobile. Looks like a Buick, drives like one too, except quieter. The juvenile bling bling (or homeboy chrome) rims just make it look like someone got their mom's car and is trying to make it look cool.

Only one of those cars has chrome wheels. Do you know what chrome is?

It sure does drive like a Buick. I can do 80mph down the interstate on 35 series tires and it feels like I'm doing 25mph, this is clearly a common trait among Buicks.
post #42 of 106
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This is not a nitpick. The black 335s I test drove looked like they'd been painted at Maaco.

Glad I'm not alone in my craziness. I told a guy at the dealership about it and you'd think I was talking about aliens. I know it won't make or break most people's perceptions of a car, but for a luxury brand, I think it's unacceptable.
post #43 of 106
I would go with the BMW any day. I test drove a Lexus LS460 and found it just horrible - the suspension was way too soft and the whole interior felt cheap.

Concerning the VW discussion - did you ever compare the keys of a VW, a Seat, Skoda, Audi, Bentley and Lamborghini?
post #44 of 106
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Only one of those cars has chrome wheels. Do you know what chrome is? It sure does drive like a Buick. I can do 80mph down the interstate on 35 series tires and it feels like I'm doing 25mph, this is clearly a common trait among Buicks.
You obviously have never driven a Buick, because they are easily capable of this. So is the Acura RL, which I feel is a very close competitor to the car above. Bland, safe, but come on, definitely not sporty. I have driven the Lexus, and I feel like I am going to wallow off the road as soon as I hit curves. And yes, I was referring to the first car with the chrome wheels when I mentioned chrome. I'm not blind. The other wheels are a joke. People that destroy the luxury feel of their old man luxury car by putting on big wheels, low profile tires, and a dropped suspension all while they are sliding back and forth on the un-bolstered couch seats (while holding that hideously gouache wood steering wheel) are hilarious. I don't really see the difference between doing the above to a GS or my grandmother's Toyota Avalon, as they pretty much look and drive the same.
post #45 of 106
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Glad I'm not alone in my craziness. I told a guy at the dealership about it and you'd think I was talking about aliens. I know it won't make or break most people's perceptions of a car, but for a luxury brand, I think it's unacceptable.

I had a black '09 328i loaner a few weeks ago and when they brought it around I had them mark down "excessive orange peel" on the pre-inspection sheet. This was before I had a chance to look at the rest of the cars, which turned out to look the same. I was sure the car had been wrecked and shoddily repaired, and wanted to be careful before accepting the car. It's that bad.
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