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post #16 of 32
classical jackass, maybe.
post #17 of 32
I don't think fedoras are really "trad" anyway.  Prep school guys gave up hats a long time ago -- before Kennedy, even. To the true tradling, fedoras are at best a dandyish affectation, at worst a sign of a criminal background.
post #18 of 32
or both, in the case of willie brown.
post #19 of 32
If you're young and are not chained to a cubicle like most people here, then he can be quite stylish. In a business traditional sense, of course not. But he has had some very nice outfits. If you look at his last GQ cover his outfit is very nice indeed.
post #20 of 32
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In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see him wearing a penis gourd with an 80s band shirt and assless chaps on 'late late night'.
This I would NOT like to see. I wonder if Demi is embarassed by this jackass yet? Anyway, it was a joke. As usual, Manton is correct. Fedoras were most popular before the advent of the sack suit, which pretty much by definition precludes them from being "Trad". BTW, please don't mention the penis gourd again. That was a very jarring image that came unbidden to mind.
post #21 of 32
So much for cultural sensitivity and open-mindedness to other forms of dress...
post #22 of 32
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In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see him wearing a penis gourd with an 80s band shirt and assless chaps on 'late late night'.
This I would NOT like to see. I wonder if Demi is embarassed by this jackass yet?
I'd like to see it, just 'cause uncontrollable giggles can be cleansing- I have a certain undeniable affection for assless chaps for precisely this reason. Actually the penis gourd is one of the few tasteful accessories I still lack. I have a pretty casual wedding to attend this summer. I wonder how that would look with a nice sportscoat- I imagine it would be cool (temperature-wise), at any rate. It does raise some interesting questions. Should your gourd match shoes and belt, or would that be gauche? It might be better to subtly complement your other "stiff" accessories (belt and shoes) with the gourd. Do gourds have buckles? Is there an analogy, on the groom's part, to the tossing of the garter? What does it portend if you catch it? Of course Ashton can look OK on the cover of GQ- he's being dressed for that, by a dresser. The question is, if you set him loose to graze in his closet (several acres, I imagine, of trucker hats, ugly sports shirts, and delectable Osh'Kosh'B'Gosh [the apostrophes are pronounced by making a clicking sound with the tongue, in honour of the gourd] super 180s overalls) will he come back a fit, trim clothes horse, or will he come back a shaggy pony with an incurable case of style colic. I think the photo answers that question definitively. (He also has the entire age difference thing backwards, IMHO, but that matches his hat). But the ultra-famous, and penultra-wealthy (oops- I did it again) are on a par with the very poor- they are simply beyond judgement, as neither can lose by dressing outrageously badly (see Spears, Federline). My great-great-great-grandfather (who must bear some of the blame for the composite picture of the miserly Scot), on his death, had the top headline of the London Times- the accompanying article mostly focussed on his regrettable habit of wearing good clothing that had been worn to rags to dinner with the Queen. The other side of my family was West Virginia coal miners, and a Colorado horse thief- they were not stylish either . But there was an amazing affinity between the two sides, as neither was at all concerned with the proprieties.
post #23 of 32
I smell jealousy.....
post #24 of 32
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I smell jealousy.....
Not jealousy on my part, but perhaps a bit of envy. I wouldn't mind having his means, and the power that goes with them, though I would certainly be unhappy to be that famous, and I would be really unhappy to be famous for the reasons he is. It's natural to envy the really successful to some degree. On the other hand, I don't (often) make fun of Robert Deniro, and I envy (and respect) him a lot more than I will ever envy Ashton Kutcher. DeNiro doesn't make quite as much of a fool of himself in public.
post #25 of 32
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Originally Posted by arrogant,June 17 2005,02:27
I smell jealousy.....
Not jealousy on my part, but perhaps a bit of envy. I wouldn't mind having his means, and the power that goes with them, though I would certainly be unhappy to be that famous, and I would be really unhappy to be famous for the reasons he is. It's natural to envy the really successful to some degree. On the other hand, I don't (often) make fun of Robert Deniro, and I envy (and respect) him a lot more than I will ever envy Ashton Kutcher. DeNiro doesn't make quite as much of a fool of himself in public.
Kutcher does it on purpose, his characters call for it. Have you ever actually watched Punk'd? It's pretty entertaining. I don't understand why he catches flak here. He doesn't say stupid things and his private life is only well documented because he is dating Demi. Has he actually done anything wrong? I don't think he has. A lot of the time he is very well dressed for young people... maybe when he's 40 he'll opt to be a carbon copy of old grey men like most of you here, but at this point I think he has the right to wear some pretty snazzy outfits. Obviously the above will make anyone look rediculous, and if you take in account that he's from a farming town, that is probably his equivalent of sweat pants and a college sweater on days when you really don't give a damn. A final thing to keep in mind, he was for some time a leading male model in the fashion world, so he must know a thing or two about how to put some nice looking rags on himself.
post #26 of 32
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Kutcher does it on purpose, his characters call for it. Have you ever actually watched Punk'd? It's pretty entertaining. I don't understand why he catches flak here. He doesn't say stupid things and his private life is only well documented because he is dating Demi. Has he actually done anything wrong? I don't think he has. A lot of the time he is very well dressed for young people... maybe when he's 40 he'll opt to be a carbon copy of old grey men like most of you here, but at this point I think he has the right to wear some pretty snazzy outfits. Obviously the above will make anyone look rediculous, and if you take in account that he's from a farming town, that is probably his equivalent of sweat pants and a college sweater on days when you really don't give a damn. A final thing to keep in mind, he was for some time a leading male model in the fashion world, so he must know a thing or two about how to put some nice looking rags on himself.
He's a public figure. I suspect that no matter the outrageous slings and arrows I send his way, he'll sleep OK tonight. He does do OK a lot of the time, but only cause he's who he is, and expectations are a bit different for the glitterati- I would look a fool in many of his outfits, and so would he if he weren't Ashton. Celebrities who trade upon their celebrity status to play the fool will be made fun of. It's the national pastime. If I were Ashton I would dress differently (imagine that clothing budget...). I have seen Punk'd- I'm an insomniac and trivial TV sometimes helps put me to sleep. I actually found it interesting, and amusing- candid camera for celebrities. It sometimes reinforced my beliefs about how awful the really entitled can be, but I was also (pleasantly) surprised at just how nice some celebrities are. The Joss Stone segment comes to mind- her behavior was what I would expect of a gentleman- a bit above and beyond, actually. Had never heard of her before that, but I'm afraid I have nursed a bit of a crush on her since- wish I liked her music more... far better than than her contemporaries, but not a patch on Ella or Dinah or Billie. OTOH- I grew up all over the place, but a lot of it was in farming communities, and some of it was on actual farms. That's not what farmers look like (for one thing, there's little brown ). If you'd shown up in many of those farming towns looking like that people would have been locking up their livestock and their daughters, likely in that order. Shotguns would have been surreptitiously trained on you, from the top windows of the local saloons, until you saddled your horse, and rode out of the territory. That's an LA outfit, pure and simple, and that's what is ridiculous about it. I will say that, in general, AK is a lot better than K-Fed (not in this instance though). I was unaware AK was a leading male model. Was this before or after he became well known as an actor? (And btw, I am not old, stuffy, or gray - I am simply not famous enough [I aspire to local notoriety] to ever be forgiven for an outfit like that, not that I would wear it if I were).
post #27 of 32
I can't stand the way Ashton Kutcher dresses but I think his outlandish style is significantly responsible for the career success he has had. Just as dressing conservatively is usually a wise way to dress for the business world, dressing to grab attention is often wise for a man in show business. Despite your complaints about his dress, he's laughing all the way to the bank.
post #28 of 32
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I can't stand the way Ashton Kutcher dresses but I think his outlandish style is significantly responsible for the career success he has had. Just as dressing conservatively is usually a wise way to dress for the business world, dressing to grab attention is often wise for a man in show business. Despite your complaints about his dress, he's laughing all the way to the bank.
If you read carefully you'll find that I've made exactly that point, repeatedly.
post #29 of 32
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I can't stand the way Ashton Kutcher dresses but I think his outlandish style is significantly responsible for the career success he has had. Just as dressing conservatively is usually a wise way to dress for the business world, dressing to grab attention is often wise for a man in show business. Despite your complaints about his dress, he's laughing all the way to the bank.
Although there are ways to dress flamboyantly with a certain aesthetic than simply clobbering things together.
post #30 of 32
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If you read carefully you'll find that I've made exactly that point, repeatedly.
My initial response to this deleted. Edited to add: I think I see what happened. When I said "your complaints about his dress", I didn't intend to refer to you, as I never even read your previous post, but rather to "you all" out there reading this thread who are complaining about Kutchner's dress. I was responding to the initial post of this thread.
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