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post #16 of 30
4/15/09 at 10:22pm
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Originally Posted by GQgeek View Post
I would move to texas just to piss steve b off.

If you get that IT certification you've talked about, you could live like a King down here on your first Houston job. It's amazingly less expensive than NYC for living costs.

You could get a truly 1st class, knocked out town home, in a very,very good part of town for about $499,000.

In NYC that still probably wouldn't get you a real nice studio in a very desirable part of Manhattan.

And for Sam. When you finish the current gig and plot your future course, don't forget that you could live really well down here for about 25-33% of NYC costs.

Houston is relatively ugly as a city, and the weather is not the best, but it sure is livable!
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post #17 of 30
4/15/09 at 11:03pm
Knowing that I won't ever be making 500k/yr in NY, NC, texas, colorado, and maybe georgia would be my preferred places to live in the US. But, I really want to do the consulting/travelling thing so the US is not in the plans for the next 5 years unless something really unpredictable happens (like I get married and the wifey doesn't want to live under Sharia Law or in a third world country where she doesn't know the language )
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post #18 of 30
4/17/09 at 1:48am
A federal clerkship with good hours? In SDNY? That's really awesome, especially considering the competition. I have one law school buddy clerking for a federal judge who has really laid back hours, another who has pretty bad hours. I've heard that many federal clerks end up getting worked nearly biglaw hours by their judges. Or is the position not a traditional "elbow clerk" position? regardless, congratulations. edit: just reread and saw you mentioned it is a "deputy clerk" and "quasi-legal" position - does that mean it's not really a lawyer position but more like a "clerk of court"?
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post #19 of 30
4/17/09 at 1:50am
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Originally Posted by yerfdog View Post
A federal clerkship with good hours? In SDNY? That's really awesome, especially considering the competition.

I have one law school buddy clerking for a federal judge who has really laid back hours, another who has pretty bad hours. I've heard that many federal clerks end up getting worked nearly biglaw hours by their judges. Or is the position not a traditional "elbow clerk" position? regardless, congratulatins.

Yes, the demands of the job can vary greatly, depending on the judge. And congrats to the OP.
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post #20 of 30
4/17/09 at 1:06pm
Good job on finding work.
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post #21 of 30
4/18/09 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post
Congrats Sam!

I hope you enjoy it.

I sensed you did not want to move to bumfuck, USA.

I know a lot of you young guys laugh at Houston, Tx. But it's always among the top 5 livable cities ( mainly because of the cost of living ). A single guy could live 1/2 ass well down here for 60K per year. I can only imagine what that would get you for a lifestyle in NYC.

+1

Check out this cost-of-living comparison. Not sure how accurate, but it's based on CNN Money.

http://www.averyindex.com/cost_of_living.php
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post #22 of 30
5/6/10 at 10:41am
How is this "outside the box"?
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post #23 of 30
5/6/10 at 10:42am
BIGLAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ff
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post #24 of 30
5/6/10 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by samblau View Post
In response to my own, as well as all of the other recent law related threads I am happy to report that I have found quasi-legal employment.

I will be working as a deputy clerk for a senior status federal judge in the Southern District of New York. The $ is nothing compared to BigLaw but tops entry level small shops and is quite livable, the benefits are ridiculous, the hours are 9-5 and I "only" start out with a combined 26 vacation and sick days + every NYS and Fed holiday off. Most importantly, there is nearly absolute job security. On the down side, the job is necessarily a "lawyer" position but there is no better way to learn procedure than working in the courts. A two-year commitment is required as well. The reference will also be very good.

With my spare time I will probably try to get another degree, maybe an LLM. Now that I am poor maybe I can get a scholarship. :-)

The lesson here is to think outside the box. Best of luck to all the other job seekers.

Courtroom deputy or law clerk? There's a big difference. Either way, congrats on getting a job. Not easy in these times.
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post #25 of 30
5/6/10 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by retronotmetro View Post
Courtroom deputy or law clerk? There's a big difference. Either way, congrats on getting a job. Not easy in these times.

Nor was it in those times, either.
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post #26 of 30
5/7/10 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post
Nor was it in those times, either.

True. But now, even the ABA thinks people should reconsider going to law school.

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Those considering law school might want to reconsider, said Allan Tanenbaum, chairman of an American Bar Association commission studying the impact of the economic crisis on the profession. Students take on average law-school debt of about $100,000 and, given the job market, many "have no foreseeable way to pay that back," he said.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...917718446.html

Yikes.
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post #27 of 30
5/7/10 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by retronotmetro View Post
True. But now, even the ABA thinks people should reconsider going to law school.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...917718446.html

Yikes.

Yikes indeed. Getting turned down by the private law school that was my first choice and "settling" for the public school I attended instead was the best decision I ever backed into. However, I'm pretty cynical about the ABA and its position. It's hardly surprising that a trade organization representing the interests of existing lawyers and law firms comes down in favor of reducing supply.
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post #28 of 30
5/7/10 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post
However, I'm pretty cynical about the ABA and its position. It's hardly surprising that a trade organization representing the interests of existing lawyers and law firms comes down in favor of reducing supply.

The ABA isn't reducing supply, it's adding to it. It is approving more law schools and has continued to hype Biglaw salary expectations and LA Law lifestyle even though the floor fell through in 2008. Meanwhile more and more college grads are still taking the LSAT and applying to law school (which is drastically rising in tuition costs) even though there are barely jobs available. In today's market many grads from third or fourth tier law schools can only find job offers at Starbucks.
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post #29 of 30
5/9/10 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by Siggy View Post
The ABA isn't reducing supply, it's adding to it. It is approving more law schools and has continued to hype Biglaw salary expectations and LA Law lifestyle even though the floor fell through in 2008. Meanwhile more and more college grads are still taking the LSAT and applying to law school (which is drastically rising in tuition costs) even though there are barely jobs available. In today's market many grads from third or fourth tier law schools can only find job offers at Starbucks.

+1, cf medical schools and law schools.

The LSAT determines where you go to law school, the MCAT decides if you go to med school.

I shoulda gone to med school...
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post #30 of 30
5/9/10 at 1:13pm
Congrats!
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