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post #76 of 168
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Originally Posted by mharwitt View Post
LOL@nananine. what about that great cover of"girl, you'll be a woman soon?"

Man, that paled in comparison to the original... and I don't even LIKE Neil Diamond
post #77 of 168
If anyone is interested where the debate on copying has been going: The Piracy Paradox: Or more realistically, a short New Yorker summary of an 80 page academic paper. A Rebuttal: Short rebuttal of the above. Counterfeit Chic: The main site to the woman rebutting. Tracks found piracy. Fashionista Tracks Piracy: Women's fashion blog section tracking F21 style ripoffs. The New York Times Weighs In: Exactly what it sounds like. Very worthwhile. NYT Discusses Ripping Off Vintage Clothing The Design Piracy Prohibition Act: Supported by the CFDA but currently stalled in Congressional Committee.
post #78 of 168
Re: unwearable, off-the-wall batshit insane clothing and the designers at whom one looks askance for ever thinking that such things could clothe normal human beings... we're all the dog that doesn't want to go anywhere and these guys are pulling steadily on the leash. The further someone goes out of everyone else's comfort zone, the more we're willing to make inches of progress out of it. I'm never going to wear Gareth Pugh's spiky pants but maybe that leads someone to come up with something else, a little closer to home, that's only slightly beyond what I'm used to that I am willing to try. Whether it's fashion or whatever else, the "avant garde" people take the big steps so we can follow, cautiously and at a safe distance.
post #79 of 168
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Originally Posted by London View Post
How does UO support anti-gay rights? The guy who runs it is gay.

Wait, wait, don't tell me. Is it Ted Haggard? He is not gay anymore. Well, he had a relapse, but I think that he is back on the wagon.
post #80 of 168
http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/ne...-38368134.html
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While the typical Urban Outfitters shopper is likely to be liberal-minded--as is the province and privilege of youth--the fiftysomething Hayne is mom-and-apple-pie conservative. He and his wife Margaret have contributed $13,150 to the campaign coffers of Paleolithic right-wing Republican Sen. Rick Santorum and his Political Action Committee over the years.
post #81 of 168
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Originally Posted by London View Post
How does UO support anti-gay rights? The guy who runs it is gay.

Dick Hayne is not gay. His ex-wife, who he opened the original "Free People" thrift store with, however, is very liberal and is a total hippie. Last I heard, she runs a community coffee shop.

You will find -- however, that most corporate execs are totally republican due more to tax breaks than political beliefs.

Unless you're referring to Ted Marlow, who very well may be.
post #82 of 168
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Originally Posted by Nananine View Post
Man, that paled in comparison to the original... and I don't even LIKE Neil Diamond

which begs the question - how many posters complaining about so and so ripping off so and so have ever downloaded a song or movie off torrent and various p2p's without legit paying for it ...
post #83 of 168
Unless we resell/provide it at a lower cost or free, this isn't a factor. Torrents run off the premise of sharing however, so those who provide the same product for free that the store sells for $20 are in principle doing the same thing. It's not that simple though because that doesn't mean these givers are stealing the artist's business as it may not have been there to begin with had the product not been offered at such a low rate (free in this case), many companies such as the RIAA refuse to admit this and instead relate every download to a lost sale. I think it's more about morals and disrespect, it's a real 'fuck you' to a designer when you plagiarize their work and make money off their design (and potentially lower the money made off the real mccoy) without their knowledge. Music sharers don't plagiarize or make any money from their endeavors and instead do it because they like the music and want others to listen to it (it's basically promoting the artist). So in principle sharing torrents is wrong because you are providing the same product for less without the owner's knowledge, but the product isn't defaced and the people doing it aren't financially benefiting from it, so their intentions are pure and there is good that can come of it, unlike the first example.
post #84 of 168
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Originally Posted by XenoX101 View Post
Unless we resell/provide it at a lower cost or free, this isn't a factor. Torrents run off the premise of sharing however, so those who provide the same product for free that the store sells for $20 are in principle doing the same thing. It's not that simple though because that doesn't mean these givers are stealing the artist's business as it may not have been there to begin with had the product not been offered at such a low rate (free in this case), many companies such as the RIAA refuse to admit this and instead relate every download to a lost sale.

I think it's more about morals and disrespect, it's a real 'fuck you' to a designer when you plagiarize their work and make money off their design (and potentially lower the money made off the real mccoy) without their knowledge. Music sharers don't plagiarize or make any money from their endeavors and instead do it because they like the music and want others to listen to it (it's basically promoting the artist).

You sure are long winded for someone with nothing to say.
post #85 of 168
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Originally Posted by XenoX101 View Post
Unless we resell/provide it at a lower cost or free, this isn't a factor. Torrents run off the premise of sharing however, so those who provide the same product for free that the store sells for $20 are in principle doing the same thing. It's not that simple though because that doesn't mean these givers are stealing the artist's business as it may not have been there to begin with had the product not been offered at such a low rate (free in this case), many companies such as the RIAA refuse to admit this and instead relate every download to a lost sale.

I think it's more about morals and disrespect, it's a real 'fuck you' to a designer when you plagiarize their work and make money off their design (and potentially lower the money made off the real mccoy) without their knowledge. Music sharers don't plagiarize or make any money from their endeavors and instead do it because they like the music and want others to listen to it (it's basically promoting the artist). So in principle sharing torrents is wrong because you are providing the same product for less without the owner's knowledge, but the product isn't defaced and the people doing it aren't financially benefiting from it, so their intentions are pure and there is good that can come of it, unlike the first example.

Boy that's some seriously contorted rationalization.

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Originally Posted by XenoX101 View Post
It's not that simple though because that doesn't mean these givers are stealing the artist's business as it may not have been there to begin with had the product not been offered at such a low rate (free in this case), many companies such as the RIAA refuse to admit this and instead relate every download to a lost sale.

Substitute cheap copies of clothing for P2P downloads and designer original for original factory CD's and see how your logic flows.
post #86 of 168
People have been saying this for a long time, I'm not the first.
post #87 of 168
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Originally Posted by Kill the DJ View Post
Fashionista Tracks Piracy: Women's fashion blog section tracking F21 style ripoffs.
Holy crap. That site is mind blowing. Most of the stuff on that blog is nearly identical to the high end items, except you can see where expensive details were changed for cheaper ones. It's crazy to think this is legal. Also FWIW, my APC sweater from, I think 06 or 07 was being sold at Gap last F/W. The quality was shit, as is everything at Gap, but the pattern is EXACTLY the same as my APC one. All the details, including the large buttons, banded sleeves and waist, and banded collar are identical. It's a sad thing to think that these big companies can blatantly rip off someone else's design and sell it as their own. Hopefully in the future this will be illegal.
post #88 of 168
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Originally Posted by XenoX101 View Post
People have been saying this for a long time, I'm not the first.

Rigggghhhhhtttt ... so selective, relativstic, situational argument for or against <<< insert pet topic here >>> is alive and well. That is all.
post #89 of 168
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Originally Posted by XenoX101 View Post
People have been saying this for a long time, I'm not the first.

So your pointless idiotic post isn't as pointless because you paraphrased the stupid ideas from elsewhere?
post #90 of 168
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Originally Posted by pcl View Post
Rigggghhhhhtttt ... so selective, relativstic, situational argument for or against <<< insert pet topic here >>> is alive and well. That is all.

I love this.
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