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post #31 of 43
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That's an interesting perspective, from someone with a large natural drop. Terminology, okay. Weightlifters not necessarily having huge drops - nice to know. However, their thick waists probably have more to do with the mesomorphic build that allows for building much muscle mass. Sometime steroids also. It's doubtful that a small waist itself particularly limits strength, except for torque.
post #32 of 43
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Ok. In that case get a regular suit that fits well in the chest and shoulder areas and your arms and take in the waist. If this doesn't appeal to you and you have the cash, go MTM or bespoke.

You're making this seem like a major problem when, in reality, it comes down to relatively simple alterations that can be done to most coats at a reasonable cost.

It's the pants that are the problem. Recutting is expensive and often not flattering, if doable at all.
post #33 of 43
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It's the pants that are the problem. Recutting is expensive and often not flattering, if doable at all.

I agree. Another point to this is that the slim suits are also cut for chicken legs.

Sorry for the tangent on jackets, I just got offended when they implied people that go to the gym don't have respectable jobs.
post #34 of 43
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That's an interesting perspective, from from someone with a large natural drop. Terminology, okay. Weightlifters not necessarily having huge drops - nice to know. However, their thick waists probably have more to do with the mesomorphic build that allows for building much muscle mass. Sometime steroids also. It's doubtful that a small waist itself particularly limits strength, except for torque.

Not altogether natural. I suspect I would have a good deal less drop if I hadn't heaved countless tons of iron about, run thousands of miles and watched my diet for most of my life.

They say that inside every fat person there is a thin person crying to get out. For me it's different. I have to contain the lusty, greedy, self-indulgent fat man within through diet and exercise, but he's always waiting to burst out.
post #35 of 43
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However, their thick waists probably have more to do with the mesomorphic build that allows for building much muscle mass..

One of the definers of a true meso is a defined waist. It's not so much a small waist but it's a clear natural waist.

Endos will have a bigger chest but the shoulders won't be that much bigger then the chest. They won't have the clear waist.



He will never have a large drop.


Ectos have small chests. Smallish shoulders. They also don't have defined waists.

A powerlifter etc is more likely to be an Endo. Bodybuilders are more likely to be meso.

Female hourglass is the same idea of a male meso.

Think of the waist/hip ratio hip test. Endos and Ectos because of how they gain weight are more at risk to health problems. Mesos gaining weight don't tend to pack it on the belly area in the same ways.
post #36 of 43
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Originally Posted by SwedishFish View Post
Ok. In that case get a regular suit that fits well in the chest and shoulder areas and your arms and take in the waist. If this doesn't appeal to you and you have the cash, go MTM or bespoke.

You're making this seem like a major problem when, in reality, it comes down to relatively simple alterations that can be done to most coats at a reasonable cost.

fwiw, you can only take in the waist so much on a suit jacket before it doesn't look right.

suit cut athletically looks significantly better than waist taken in my tailor imo/ime
post #37 of 43
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Endos and Ectos because of how they gain weight are more at risk to health problems. Mesos gaining weight don't tend to pack it on the belly area in the same ways.

I doubt that mesomorphic figures would have any health advantage over other body types if they gained an unhealthy level of body fat. Indeed, while ectomorphs have to work to maintain significant muscle mass, mesomorphs must work to maintain the same bodyfat levels that ectomorphs enjoy.

Anyway, I have the solution to the whole "large drop" dilemma:

post #38 of 43
As other members have stated, it's a simple issue of market size. I have a 12" drop (hence my SN), and before I started going custom, I could never buy anything OTR. My drop is a byproduct of years of rigorous fitness training; suppose you could call it bodybuilding, but I simply like to excel at athletics and take care of my body.

JBird, thanks for sticking up for us "meatheads." I do often wonder why some individuals look to clothing to conceal poor physiques, rather than address the problem that lies underneath the cloth. But that's a whole discussion in and of itself.

Mensimageconsultant - Do you ever counsel clients to lose weight before investing in a new wardrobe?

Back to the topic at hand, a RTW suit line with drops exceeding 10" is too specialized of a product for a mass market retailer. Obviously custom is the way to go for us "X-shaped people" and I'm fortunate that I can afford to go that route, but most fit guys end up with billowing shirts and pants with cinched waists.
post #39 of 43
I'm a 51 year old accountant. I don't lift weights and have very rarely done so in the past. I do swim, run and do calisthentics, but not fanaticaly. I'm 6'2" with a 44 inch chest and a 33 inch waist. I can't believe that its that uncommon. It's impossible to buy nice ready to wear suits that fit. I just bought a searsucker on sale and had the waist taken in over four inches and the pants still look way too baggy. I used to be able to find athletic cut hart marx suits but I haven't seen one in ages. Or try finding a long sleeve athletic cut long shirt. They're out there but pretty hard to find. I really like MTM suits, but it would be nice to be able to pick something up on sale once in a while. Don't even get me started on narrow shoe sizes. Until I discover Aldens I could never get a pair that fit right. Now I can but its always special order so I can never try them on ahead of time. Has anyone noticed that no one stocks men's narrow shoe sizes? Consumers, and hence our retail sector, have become so cost conscious over the last thirty or forty years that everything is geared to high volume low cost. You would think that with modern manufacturing methods and the ability to reach large numbers of consumers via the internet that would be changing, opening opportunities for specialists to fill these markets.
post #40 of 43
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I'm a 51 year old accountant. I don't lift weights and have very rarely done so in the past. I do swim, run and do calisthentics, but not fanaticaly. I'm 6'2" with a 44 inch chest and a 33 inch waist. I can't believe that its that uncommon.

It's impossible to buy nice ready to wear suits that fit. .



I hear you- alas it's true. Many more 44" chests with 40" waists.
post #41 of 43
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I doubt that mesomorphic figures would have any health advantage over other body types if they gained an unhealthy level of body fat. Indeed, while ectomorphs have to work to maintain significant muscle mass, mesomorphs must work to maintain the same bodyfat levels that ectomorphs enjoy.


You should check the studies that led to the waist/hip ratio. You might be suprised. It's not the BF it's the location of the fat.

Ecto are heavily at risk of being skinny fat. They get older and end up with a pot belly. Stepping on the scale they are fairly light. Reasonable BMI. BF levels are in the okay range. Problem is all the fat is in the danger zone.
post #42 of 43
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Maybe because they don't excel at weight-bearing athletic activities or don't enjoy the exertion, often ectomorphs don't do the muscle-building exercise that is important for good health. But ectomorph, mesomorph, and endormorph are more classifications than reality.

Anyway, yes, clients get counseled about losing weight (or getting in shape) before spending much on new clothing. It can be tricky when a client hasn't indicated (as prompted by the form) that he wants to change his physique.
post #43 of 43
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Don't even get me started on narrow shoe sizes. Until I discover Aldens I could never get a pair that fit right. Now I can but its always special order so I can never try them on ahead of time. Has anyone noticed that no one stocks men's narrow shoe sizes?

Yep. I get around this by looking for shoes with really long, pointy lasts, and then sizing down 2 to 3 european sizes. That way, I get the width right, and the length works out normally rather than having ski tips stuck out the end of the shoe.

It's better than the alternative: feet that are too bulky to fit the elegant lasts.
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