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Lee Jun Fan (Bruce Lee) http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...e2qAOZvcjrDA&q Likely the best physically "in shape" fighter in the world. Possessed extraordinary speed, power, agility, and stamina. Tailored his body with extreme diet, weight lifting, cardiovascular, speed and power training. Mainly known as a Chinese martial artist, he was also proficient in western boxing, grappling, and fencing. Weight class 135-165lbs. Not known for competitive fighting, but he was known to do it on occasion, especially boxing. Self proclaimed that he could defeat anyone in the world in a one on one fight. Prime years 1965-1973. Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...OKqQPQmI3lDA&q Pound for pound one of the quickest, most fluid, and most dynamic boxers ever. Had speed, size, and power. Capable of getting in an opponents head and defeating them psychologically in order to dominate them physically. Western boxing only, but a specialist at it. Weight class 186-236lbs. Olympic Gold medalist, world heavyweight champion boxer. Self proclaimed "Greatest of all time" Prime years 1960-1973. The setup: Ali at his lightest, Lee at his heaviest. There is a 20lb weight differential, But I believe Lee would have not balked at such a small difference. After all, he'd gone up against much heavier people than Ali before. 15 rounds of boxing. Hands only, no grappling, takedowns, or leg strikes. Knockdowns are not counted. Three impartial judges scoring the match, impartial ref. Three month training time for both camps. Who wins?
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stin l;ike butfly move likke beee. mahonad li fACCK
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stin l;ike butfly move likke beee. mahonad li fACCK

Kyle, stop drinking.
post #4 of 74
sry

M. ali bc hee was the bes of al time. thee time vhy weait champ an lee just did moives.
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sry

M. ali bc hee was the bes of al time. thee time vhy weait champ an lee just did moives.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe Lee wasn't interested in being a professional fighter for a reason other than that he wasn't good at it?
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Did it ever occur to you that maybe Lee wasn't interested in being a professional fighter for a reason other than that he wasn't good at it?

Mabe. he prob made beter $$ bein in movies, but to m hes a movi guy and not a fihgter, so ali iwins. i migh be wron bc i dont' kow much about lee. lee wa still badss and killd norris in a mvoei
who di u vote for
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Mabe. he prob made beter $$ bein in movies, but to m hes a movi guy and not a fihgter, so ali iwins. i migh be wron bc i dont' kow much about lee. lee wa still badss and killd norris in a mvoei who di u vote for
Watch the videos I posted. In my mind, Lee wins easily. Ali might not even lay a hand on him.
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Watch the videos I posted. In my mind, Lee wins easily. Ali might not even lay a hand on him.

Why win easly? Th video is impersive. I guess I don really undertand martial arts but u can tell hwo incedible an athelte he is and hes a beast. if theu were in thier prime @[ same tiem why didnt they ever fihgt? itd go eithr way probly
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Why win easly? Th video is impersive. I guess I don really undertand martial arts but u can tell hwo incedible an athelte he is and hes a beast. if theu were in thier prime @[ same tiem why didnt they ever fihgt? itd go eithr way probly
Ali didn't like fighting martial artists. In my opinion, he liked being faster than his opponents. I'm not sure he'd know what to do when he was faced with someone much faster and more agile than he was, even if he had a slight edge in punching power. (which I'm not convinced is even the case) He fought Inoki once, but Inoki just grappled him and beat his legs to a literal bloody pulp on the ground. Not many martial artists would be able to instinctively not use their legs during a boxing match nor would they want to try. I know Lee could, because he'd been in boxing tournaments before. In straight boxing, from three feet away, hands at his sides, Lee's jab has been clocked in the hundredths of a second range. He could also jab his fingertips through a full can of coke while it was sitting on a table. Neat party trick. but try it sometime. you will likely just dent the can and send it flying across the room. Speed and power, kyle. The guy in the video he one inch punches into the chair, had a bruise the size of a cantaloupe on his chest and had trouble breathing for a week after that hit. Honestly, I think it may be the greatest fight that never happened.
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Somehow I can truly believe Bruce Lee can take anyone down on a one-on-one.
post #11 of 74
In an interview Lee gave his opinion on who would win. It is on film. It'll change the "complexion"of this thread.

This is similar to saying Jet Li could take most fighters in the world. Similarly, Jet gave his opinion of his chances with mixed martial arts fighters during the filming of a movie that featured some of the top guys. That interview was recorded and can be found.

I love both these guys and they are very skilled in their realm but there are some guys in this world who spend their time fighting and learning how to fight better, not making movies or talking to thier publicist or conducting interviews.

Donnie Yen could take them both. His mama is a master in the Boston area for 40+ years now.
post #12 of 74
Tough one.

If they fight bare-handed - Lee. He's too quick for Ali, even at Lee's heaviest
With boxing gloves - Ali. the gloves would slow Lee down to much and take away his power.
post #13 of 74
yor rules suck using stnadard london rules, at least allow muay thai rules. in that case lee, but honestly i would allow looser rules
post #14 of 74
From
"Muhammad Ali vs Bruce Lee, who would win? And other sporting questions"
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/g...ns-767122.html


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Who would win in a fight between Muhammad Ali and Bruce Lee?

While preparing for his title defence against Joe Bugner in Malaysia in 1975, Muhammad Ali announced, "I will prove to the world that I am not only the greatest boxer of all time, I am the greatest martial artist." Then, before treating the kickboxer Davis Miller to a round of sparring, he declared, "You must be a fool to get in the ring with me. When I'm through, you gowna think you been whupped by Bruce Lee." Miller reported how "I bent to the right, tossed a jab toward his belt line, straightened, snapped a long, tentative front-kick to his head. I figured it was the first kick he'd ever had thrown at him, but he pulled away as easily as if he'd been dodging feet his entire life." In that brief encounter, Ali allowed Miller to get a few hits in before knocking him senseless with two punches.

Bruce Lee would no doubt fare better than the young Miller did against the Greatest, but the end result would probably be no different. Ali was 6ft 3in tall and weighed 236lb in his prime. Lee was 5ft 7in and just 135lb when he died. If Lee were a boxer he would be a lightweight nine divisions below Ali's heavyweight class. In regular boxing there is a limited degree of movement between the weight divisions.

The first advantage people think of is the martial artist's ability to use kicks as well as punches. In any contest of champions, Muhammad Ali would be allowed to kick too just as Bruce Lee would be allowed to punch but one presumes he would rely on his fists. The second advantage is Lee's dazzling speed though frames were cut from his fight scenes to make him appear even faster. Even so, his kicks could never be as fast as Ali's punches. This is no slight against the martial artist, but simply a reflection of human physiology and the laws of physics.

Even the fastest kicks are slow compared to punches, because they require more build-up and begin from a greater distance from their target. Punches can also be followed up with more of the same, whereas combination kicks are slower, more difficult to execute and usually lose power.

Furthermore, Ali would be used to dodging punches that were much faster than Lee's kicks. So to bring his kicks to bear, Lee would need to keep Ali at a distance. Assuming that the two are fighting in a ring of limited size, Lee would probably not be able to keep out of the boxer's way for long enough. Ali himself was extremely fast for a heavyweight, but even he couldn't avoid dozens of punches from the lumbering George Foreman (realising this, he even made it part of his game plan not to try to during their "Rumble in the Jungle"). Similarly, no matter how fast Lee might be, he could not realistically be expected to dodge every blow from Ali.

Now there's an arena in which the different fighting styles can be directly compared: the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Almost anything goes in mixed martial arts, or "cage fighting", except for eye-gouging and blows to the groin. Yet, contrary to the public's expectation when the sport began, kung fu masters have fared notably badly: even worse than pure boxers. The early years were dominated by grapplers, and even today fighters stand little chance unless they have excellent wrestling skills, as so many matches are settled on the ground, either with a submission hold or with one protagonist pinned down and pummelled unconscious.

The most successful mixed martial artist of recent times is Japan's Kazushi Sakuraba. Sakuraba came from professional (that is to say, staged) wrestling, but after his promoters went bust he talked his way into the Ultimate Fighting Championship's heavyweights-only Ultimate Japan tournament in 1997. He pretended that he weighed 203lb in order to qualify and, although he was really only 183lb, he defeated a 243lb ju-jitsu champion to score the first of several victories against bigger, stronger men. One of his smaller victims was the renowned Royce Gracie, who at 180lb himself once beat a 275lb heavyweight wrestler. Sakuraba's career and those of other champions in Ultimate Fighting appear to demonstrate that grappling skills are far more effective than other martial arts or boxing disciplines in overcoming a size disadvantage. The UFC has destroyed the mystique of martial arts by showing which techniques actually work. Kung fu is not one of them.

Bruce Lee had great respect for the skills of wrestlers, but he had different priorities and recognised that their techniques were not as photogenic as the looping kicks and acrobatics that movie-goers wanted to see. He realised that his moves were only for the camera, and that the flurries of hand trapping that he learned from wing chun kung fu would be of little use in a real fight. Unlike Ali, Lee never boasted that he could take on the world. He never fought in competitive tournaments either. To then say that Lee was the best martial arts fighter in the world let alone the best fighter per se would be like saying that the Harlem Globetrotters, basketball's answer to the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment), are the world's best basketball team.

The more valid question is not whether Bruce Lee could beat Muhammad Ali, but how he would fare against Rocky Balboa...

I can't say I know enough about either to really say, and as an avid avoider of all pain can't bring any personal experience to the argument - but I will say a friend of mine, a fairly accomplished Goju Ryu karate guy (black belt, trained in okinawa, formerly on the UK team), occasional street fighter and general bad ass joined the uni boxing team and still got punched in the face an awful lot.

People tend to underestimate boxing because you "only punch" but if you look at that the other way round - you do nothing but practise how to deliver, avoid and take punches, no spiritualism, no jumping around, just lots of punching. I think it would stand you in fairly good stead against any martial artist except perhaps a wrestler/grappler.
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I had no idea Lee was that badass. I thought he was just a corny, Chuck Norris style dude. Looks like I should probably watch some movies or something.
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He could also jab his fingertips through a full can of coke while it was sitting on a table. Neat party trick. but try it sometime. you will likely just dent the can and send it flying across the room. Speed and power, kyle.

That's freakin incredible.

BTW, Last night
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