Shoulders look right to me on the Doyle. I wear mine open for the same reasons. I think a lot of the Doyle fit will depend on how broad you are up top. For me to get a fit like Matt has the rest of the jacket would be insanely sloppy.
I did size up one on the Chambray to see how it fits and I figure I can alter as needed if something needs a tweak
That's helpful. I think I'll do that and just wear it open because I can't see how sizing up would look good with my build.