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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post


If I might contribute a bit -

Even mall retailers have this sort of reasoning down. If you walk into Banana Republic, you'll see a company established size run because they have zeroed in on the market they're trying to attack in a profitable way. Having worked there for many years through undergrad, it doesn't make financial sense for the company to cater to an "extreme" minority based on sales trends, customer base, etc. Obviously, as a national chain they now have room to expand the sizing (Normally chest sizes of 38-44) because they can cover the odd jacket in a small or large size, but that was definitely not their starting point. And while SF distorts things a bit, the average male is not walking into Epaulet measuring a 36 chest and 27 waist. That sort of build is just not common in modern America, for whatever reasons others may want to include.

Anyways, sorry for all that.

Completely true. Statistics and a general operations or finance education support this. On the other hand so many retailers do this that there is an important niche for smaller and thinner sizes. Not that I'm saying it would be a good business model for Epaulet, but it is what Blue Owl on this forum does to some degree. Suit Supply has also expanded large numbers of smaller sizes. They can achieve profitability because of their large market share in this segment and larger numbers of stores to spread out the cost and achieve scale.

 

The special order compromise is an excellent solution, it mitigates the small scale with the surcharge without forcing other customers to subsidize.

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I appreciate the comments. On the whole I real am very happy, personally, with Epaulet.

 

I wasn't trying to bag on Epaulet so much as to satisfy my curiosity and (presumptuously, I suppose) suggest a way for people on the ends of the bell curve to try on items remotely with less financial risk.

 

Having found my sizes I don't have much to complain about. It's minorly frustrating that the Rivet cost has increased but it's obviously not a dealbreaker, and I do get extra options to accompany the increase in cost. I am also more partial to Walts, which are unchanged.

 

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Being a size 37XS, 7.5D shoe and generally not tall, I'm happy that I can special order the stock styles in MTO sizes. Yes, dialing the correct size involves trial and error and, ultimatley, I took a gamble by ordering a factory find sport coat. Once I get my sizing worked out, it will be much easier to order more. Being on the lower end of sizes, I'm used to exerting some (massive amounts of) extra effort. In my view, the fact that Epaulet will do anything I want in MY size, by itself, is a dream come true! I'm so used to hearing "NO, we can't accomodate you," from other retailers. I wish I could pre-order things like sweaters in XS sizes, but I realize that would be a major pain for the Epaulet folks. I'd take the risk for staple items, albeit in small doses.

Now, if they had a rack of tester sportcoats in 1" incremenets...I'd have turned off the computer and taken the train up to NY for the day. satisfied.gif

 

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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post


If I might contribute a bit -
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But that's my take. Again, I sympathize with the plight of people outside the standard sizes. But really when you're dealing with a boutique-level brand, there's not a ton that can be demanded of them if it's not financially-sound. I'd instead view EP's custom jobs as a great opportunity to snag unique pieces built to the buyer's specs, as opposed to an expected level of attention. TBH, EP goes above and beyond even the most attentive retailer by offering this service.

Anyways, sorry for all that.

 

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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post

^ very well stated. Also, just think that EP could easily say "that size [34 jacket, 28 trouser, etc.] just doesn't sell well enough, so we won't carry it and you can't special order it." If they said that, I woul have exactly zero Epaulet items in my closet. On the plus side, I would have saved a lot of money...on the down side, I WOULD HAVE ZERO EPAULET ITEMS IN MY CLOSET! I really wouldn't want to imagine my wardrobe with my EP stuff, if you removed it all right now I think I'd have to show up pants-less to work. The fact that they even offer all these odd sizes at all as special orders is pretty remarkable.
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Hopsack for the heat:

 

 

Southwick Caine Navy Hopsack

Bengal stripe popover

Walt Dove Hopsack

Carmina Salinger Caramel Calf

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Hopsack really is cool. I do admire though the wool jacket and trousers with tie in the heat. :-)

For me today, wine chambray RCs:



And close up of soon to be EP-germane footwear:
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Vass middle brown suede London plain toe model on the New Peter last (cross post from Vass thread)
post #22895 of 33530
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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post

If I might contribute a bit -

As a former fat guy, I really do relate in general to the sentiments expressed throughout this convo and the OP about prices outside of the house sizing run.

That said, when you get down below 38 chests, or so and into 27-29 waists, the production and opportunity costs to supply those possible buyers just doesn't add up. Mike has already stated that they used to carry them standard, they didn't sell, and so a business decision was made to cut out that cost - it didn't afford Epaulet anything with old stock sitting on the shelves and not moving. And while we all do love EP, sales is not a matter of charity. Not that that's wrong; it's just the nature of a small business trying to streamline costs in an effort to become financially stable and then successful.

Even mall retailers have this sort of reasoning down. If you walk into Banana Republic, you'll see a company established size run because they have zeroed in on the market they're trying to attack in a profitable way. Having worked there for many years through undergrad, it doesn't make financial sense for the company to cater to an "extreme" minority based on sales trends, customer base, etc. Obviously, as a national chain they now have room to expand the sizing (Normally chest sizes of 38-44) because they can cover the odd jacket in a small or large size, but that was definitely not their starting point. And while SF distorts things a bit, the average male is not walking into Epaulet measuring a 36 chest and 27 waist. That sort of build is just not common in modern America, for whatever reasons others may want to include.

On the other hand, Uniqlo and other Asian imports are almost always sized small because they are built for that Far Eastern demographic. It wouldn't profit a Uniqlo, then w/ 2-3 storefronts, to release clothes in an American XXL. Who would buy that? (rhetorical). Obviously there is a limited market for it, but not enough to merit the production and opportunity costs.

To me, the mere fact that EP wants to, and makes an effort to cater to sizes on either end of the spectrum is fantastic. In an effort to keep general costs down, they pass on the extra costs associated w/ small/large size production onto the customer. Does that perhaps limit their appeal? Maybe - but it's "limiting their appeal" to a demographic they're already not targeting. They're not really out anything extra by not supplying sizes they already don't produce. Instead, I think I'm correct in viewing the expanded sizing as a great offer to guys who normally fall outside the "standard" range, offering a product all of us know as high-quality for the money, in great fabrics and with a really unique vibe.

Were Epaulet to continue expanding and make a jump to Europe or Asia, then I would anticipate seeing a size shift or expansion as their target demographics change. But for now, they've tried it, found it not financially reasonable, and so instead of completely shutting down that extended sizing option have passed on the cost to the consumer - thus allowing a product they normally wouldn't consider to go out to those willing to pay for it.

But that's my take. Again, I sympathize with the plight of people outside the standard sizes. But really when you're dealing with a boutique-level brand, there's not a ton that can be demanded of them if it's not financially-sound. I'd instead view EP's custom jobs as a great opportunity to snag unique pieces built to the buyer's specs, as opposed to an expected level of attention. TBH, EP goes above and beyond even the most attentive retailer by offering this service.

Anyways, sorry for all that.

As a current fat guy, having Epaulet around is one of the few ways to buy well-made clothes short of having everything in my wardrobe MTM or bespoke. Ever since the first time I walked into the shop to try on a pair of shoes and made an offhand comment about not even bothering to look at the clothes because small shops like this would never carry anything in my size, Mike, Matt, and everyone else have been nothing but gracious. I did have to take a chance on my first walts and sportcoat based on extrapolating measurements, but it was well worth it. Having to wait a few weeks for a special order may be a bit of a pain compared to being able to pick new things up as soon as they come out, but its still a much better solution for me than anywhere else out there.

-Ed
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I appreciate the comments. On the whole I real am very happy, personally, with Epaulet.

I wasn't trying to bag on Epaulet so much as to satisfy my curiosity and (presumptuously, I suppose) suggest a way for people on the ends of the bell curve to try on items remotely with less financial risk.

Having found my sizes I don't have much to complain about. It's minorly frustrating that the Rivet cost has increased but it's obviously not a dealbreaker, and I do get extra options to accompany the increase in cost. I am also more partial to Walts, which are unchanged.

And I too, by no means, intend my comments to personally offend you at all. Just conversing.
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As a current fat guy, having Epaulet around is one of the few ways to buy well-made clothes short of having everything in my wardrobe MTM or bespoke. Ever since the first time I walked into the shop to try on a pair of shoes and made an offhand comment about not even bothering to look at the clothes because small shops like this would never carry anything in my size, Mike, Matt, and everyone else have been nothing but gracious. I did have to take a chance on my first walts and sportcoat based on extrapolating measurements, but it was well worth it. Having to wait a few weeks for a special order may be a bit of a pain compared to being able to pick new things up as soon as they come out, but its still a much better solution for me than anywhere else out there.

-Ed

And I'd agree with this too - glad you enjoy it and have already nailed down sizing.
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I probably mean to offend a few people.

 

Just wanted to be clear about that for the record.
 

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Originally Posted by StanleyVanBuren View Post

I probably mean to offend a few people.

Just wanted to be clear about that for the record.

 

Always. SVB's got his hitlist all drawn up already.

EDIT: Disclaimer is always nice. People get passions so flamed so quickly it's not worth the risk.
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Canadian Summer Tux today:


Plus these bad boys:
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Love the finish, and for reference the grass was a little dry.
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Man, I just got my order, and I realized something... You guys are going to have to print all new pack-in cards and boxes for your orders since you added a new store.  Exciting times!

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Mto? Or is that sweet purple lining stock?
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That pole you're standing next to make you look like you're at least twelve feet tall. No joke.
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all Epaulet everything

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Originally Posted by bespoken pa View Post

Mto? Or is that sweet purple lining stock?

Stock.
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Originally Posted by ahjota View Post

That pole you're standing next to make you look like you're at least twelve feet tall. No joke.
Haha. Alas I'm only 5'9" frown.gif
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all Epaulet everything
Trinidad.
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