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post #811 of 843
The thread title is a misnomer but it has been from the start about Cliff Roberts and shoes and boots he has made or is making for SF members.
post #812 of 843
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Originally Posted by culverwood View Post

I have received the shoes from Cliff. As requested he adjusted the instep to make it higher as my first pair had a wider gap at the lacing area than was ideal. They have not yet been polished by me so are a little bland. The toe is his usual "unelongated" shape and I found on my previous pair that when the cap has been properly shined the proportions look pretty good.
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You use the last from your bespoke shoe maker?
Does Cliff do his own patterns?
What did he specialise in when he worked for big shoe factory in Northampton?
He seem very capable man.
Did Cliff close upper,
the stitching look sloppy.
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post #813 of 843
Clif uses his own lasts (from Spring Line I suspect), I do not think my bespoke maker would lend their last for me to another maker. I think he does make his own patterns as he charges for new designs and will make almost anything you ask him to.
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Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir View Post


You use the last from your bespoke shoe maker?
Does Cliff do his own patterns?
What did he specialise in when he worked for big shoe factory in Northampton?
He seem very capable man.
Did Cliff close upper,
the stitching look sloppy.
.


There's a Cliff Roberts in the EG video who is the finisher. Is that him at 4:50ff.?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_0hczSirzY

 

post #815 of 843
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Originally Posted by ncdobson View Post


There's a Cliff Roberts in the EG video......

Yes, it's him. - I believe, the video is a few years old.
post #816 of 843
Oh no, the toe cap is far too short to look pleasant. Such a shame.
post #817 of 843
yep...
post #818 of 843
As I said in the post with the pictures although the cap seems small in the photos I have found them when on my feet and with the cap polished to be well proportioned. Perhaps it is my photographic lack if skill.
post #819 of 843
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Originally Posted by Xenon View Post


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Originally Posted by sefpoter View Post

Nice boots.Think I've seen the shoes in UK before.The speed hooks on my bal boots caught on my suit trouser cuff inner stitching the other day.I had to be careful every time I sat down.I'll probably want full eyelets on my next pair of boots so I can wear them with trousers that were sloppily hemmed and cuffed.


If this is directed at my boots, thanks.

I really like speed hooks but have the same experience as you. I damaged a pair of trouser in super 160 once because the well made cuff (with strong thread) still caught in a hook and made a small rip. So no more hooks for me. i also had issue with zip boots where the zipper caught as well.

Happened to me as well but the trousers didn't rip. I think the hemming needs to be done a bit more neatly in my case so the thread wouldn't get caught.
post #820 of 843
Can someone give me some details about how Cliff is working atm please. I am thinking of rewarding myself if I get a new job and the questions I am thinking of are:
1) Can you choose the length between the end of the shoe and the cap as it always seems very small in comparison to most shoes on the market.
2) What is the current wait time?
3) What is the current price?
4) Does the rounded toe look quite as full in real life? Are there any other toe shapes outside of round and chiselled/round?
5) What is the quality of leather like? How has it been for people after a fair amount of wear?
6) How does the leather shine up?
7) Does he replace the soles as they wear? How much does he charge if so?
post #821 of 843
I belive Cliff is very much tied to Clarence Clifford's shoe development and upcoming launch. New shoe factories are a rare addition for Northampton, G&G is the newest one at the moment.

See http://clarenceclifford.com/ and http://www.facebook.com/bespokeshoes
post #822 of 843
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by VRaivio View Post

I belive Cliff is very much tied to Clarence Clifford's shoe development and upcoming launch. New shoe factories are a rare addition for Northampton, G&G is the newest one at the moment.
See http://clarenceclifford.com/ and http://www.facebook.com/bespokeshoes

He was the Clifford in the name but he has not been associated with them for a few months.
post #823 of 843
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Originally Posted by AnGeLiCbOrIs View Post

He was the Clifford in the name but he has not been associated with them for a few months.

How does that work? He will let them keep his name?
post #824 of 843
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Originally Posted by AnGeLiCbOrIs View Post

He was the Clifford in the name but he has not been associated with them for a few months.

How does that work? He will let them keep his name?

I don't think he's happy about that situation at all.
post #825 of 843
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Originally Posted by Mess View Post

Can someone give me some details about how Cliff is working atm please. I am thinking of rewarding myself if I get a new job and the questions I am thinking of are:
1) Can you choose the length between the end of the shoe and the cap as it always seems very small in comparison to most shoes on the market.
2) What is the current wait time?
3) What is the current price?
4) Does the rounded toe look quite as full in real life? Are there any other toe shapes outside of round and chiselled/round?
5) What is the quality of leather like? How has it been for people after a fair amount of wear?
6) How does the leather shine up?
7) Does he replace the soles as they wear? How much does he charge if so?

Most of your questions are best directed at Cliff, as only he can answer them properly, but I'll give them a stab.

1) Cliff's shoes have more toe room than they look.

2) As you can see from this thread, the wait can vary between a few months to years. My first order took seven months, but the delay was due to his unsuccessful business venture.

3) Using an existing pattern, his last, and his choice of leather (as in I only specified calf leather) the cost was around 375 pounds (350 pounds + postage). A new pattern costs an extra 30 pounds.

4) On the left is an Edward Green Elmsley in 202 last, UK size 7; on the right is Cliff Roberts' in his round-toe last, also UK size 7. Roberts' has more toe room.
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FWIW, the EG outsole measures 11 1/8" x 4"; Roberts' outsole measures 11" x 3 3/4". The EG hurt my right little toe until broken in. Roberts' does not hurt.

5) The leather on my Roberts is stiff, but no stiffer than Allen Edmonds', for example. It's definitely not as supple as EG's. I haven't worn my Roberts long enough to know how they wear. (I received them in January, which was deep winter. Just started wearing them last week.)

6) I haven't given my Roberts a proper shine yet. (Yes, I know it's a crime.)

7) I imagine he would replace the soles, but I don't know how much he charges.
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