Steroids in Bodybuilding... - Page 3

aesthetics, vanity, etc.

sounds shitty.

I think I'd be down to take something in my mid-late 30's if things start going downhill, like I hear they do... but I'd only want enough to keep what I have going on right now at 26. What could I take to maintain, HGH? Anything that doesn't require shots? I almost pass out whenever I get one.

Amazing and disgusting

It is a logical comparison. "Steroids" is a pretty general term and you'll have to define what you mean when you say it. Just as "playing football' is a pretty general term. Professional athletes have a wide range of debilitating injuries from their sports. Some have severe concussions that eventually lead to neurological disorders in the future. Do some research on brain scans of football players. Then there are kids who play high school for fun or whatevers, they might have some minor injuries but it's no big deal.

Likewise, there's a large segment of the population doing what you might consider "steroids" and doing just fine. Not everybody suffers from shrunken balls, bitch tits and liver failure. You can go lurk some online forums right now and you'll find a lot of normal people taking mild testosterone boosters, prohormones, even AAS under proper supervision and precautions and doing just fine.

I would never want to fuck with that type of stuff but I'm not so ignorant as make broad generalizations about "steroids" and then call others illogical for not wholly condemning them.

Except that it is obviously and literally not possible to look anything like that without drugs.

Yup. There's some 'natural bodybuilding' competitions out there and those guys look nothing like the ones that are juicing heavily. Ironically, the 'natural bodybuilders' don't look very 'natural' by most peoples' understanding of the term either.

^because they aren't. i have friends who compete "naturally". it's a bit of an oxymoron.

Find any post I made saying that steroids are 'just as harmful.' Find any post that has me using any comparative language.

All I said was that sports have negative health effects and so does any lifestyle choice involving the body (nutrition, drug use, etc.). In all of these areas, there are extreme examples. You're the one that wrongly inferred that I was saying that steroid use was as bad for the body as playing 2 hand touch football (or whatever silly notion you're attributing to me).

There's a wide varying range in any activity that stresses the body. My point is you can't condemn bodybuilding because at it's extreme end you got a guy with liver failure. Likewise, I don't condemn playing sports just because there are a large number of former athletes with extreme brain damage or I don't condemn chocolate cake because there are 600 lbs bedridden fatsos out there.

that's because natural guys aren't natural. They just have to be a little careful about their timing.

Gregg Valentino.

He is not a bodybuilder.

I actually intended to compete but never had the nerve to. I always thought I looked small. I'm not saying that I had tons of raw potential but I could have held my own. When I stopped using I was 5'9 and around 260 with a 32in waist. My calves always sucked but I had nice shape and symmetry otherwise. I stopped using because I ran into some health problems after getting to carried away with things. I used straight through the last few years without taking any time off. I also had a thing with site injections; i used to stick my ass, legs, arms (bi and tris), traps, delts and calves with EQ prior to working a bodypart. Its a miracle I never got a serious infection.

Years later I still have some health problems but dont have many regrets. It was a great time in my life.

dl

1. I didn't compare the seriousness of anything. I know exactly what I said. Do you know what I said?

2. People can criticize others as much as they want if it makes them feel better. I prefer not to. Would you rather I have instead posted something like: "OMG, how can anyone do that to their body! It's so gross and unnatural! Boo 'roids!" Ok. Pretend I said that instead.