just got a pair of old nom de guerre raw selvedge jeans on ebay that had an initial wash. i had them altered to be more slimming (took them in an inch and a half in); so the selvedge is about 3 inches now. they were 10.3 inches at the leg opening and they are now 8 3/4s or so.
the jeans are around 14 oz's and the denim is pretty slubby. more reminicent of sugarcane denim than apc raw denim, which is what the current jeans are like. excellent jeans.