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post #16 of 123
30 years ago, no. in today's MLB, yes.
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30 years ago, no. in today's MLB, yes.

Not you too Kunk.
post #18 of 123
^20 win seasons and 300 wins are irrelevant, sadly, in this day and age. was he not better than sutton or neikro? i think he was.

may lose points for being an epic cunt though.
post #19 of 123
Pedro is a first ballot HOFer and he won't get close to 300 wins either. Schilling gets in based on sustained excellence (ERA+ is 127, which means he was 27% better than the leagues he played in over his career - this is a very good number by historical standards) and an incredible post season record - one of the best of all time frankly. Using things like 20-win seasons and 300 wins for a career as benchmarks is completely outdated in the modern era of 5 man rotations and heavy bullpen use.
post #20 of 123
As others have said, I think his post season performance will push him into the hall of fame. And I have no problem with that, he's the kind of pitcher that will be mentioned by red sox and diamondbacks (if they have any) fans when they tell their kids about watching their teams win the series.
post #21 of 123
pretty much what i was saying. again, you look at sutton and don't see HOF, at least in my eyes. 12-15 years of excellence certainly trumps 20-22 years of performing at era-adjusted mediocre levels.

sanatana and a few others, like oswalt, will prove to be interesting cases in 12-15 years.


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Pedro is a first ballot HOFer and he won't get close to 300 wins either. Schilling gets in based on sustained excellence (ERA+ is 127, which means he was 27% better than the leagues he played in over his career - this is a very good number by historical standards) and an incredible post season record - one of the best of all time frankly. Using things like 20-win seasons and 300 wins for a career as benchmarks is completely outdated in the modern era of 5 man rotations and heavy bullpen use.
post #22 of 123
Without a doubt.

By today's standards at least.

Remember, each era has to have it's hall of famers. Even if they're not as good as the previous generation's members.

Gotta keep Cooperstown current and busy.
post #23 of 123
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^20 win seasons and 300 wins are irrelevant, sadly, in this day and age. was he not better than sutton or neikro? i think he was.

may lose points for being an epic cunt though.

Wrong.

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Pedro is a first ballot HOFer and he won't get close to 300 wins either. Schilling gets in based on sustained excellence (ERA+ is 127, which means he was 27% better than the leagues he played in over his career - this is a very good number by historical standards) and an incredible post season record - one of the best of all time frankly. Using things like 20-win seasons and 300 wins for a career as benchmarks is completely outdated in the modern era of 5 man rotations and heavy bullpen use.

and Wrong.
post #24 of 123
^dood, you're nuts. did you stop paying attention after addie joss retired?
post #25 of 123
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Wrong.



and Wrong.

Wrong or not, I'll bet you $100 that both Pedro and Schilling are in.
post #26 of 123
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Wrong or not, I'll bet you $100 that both Pedro and Schilling are in.

I never said they weren't in. IMO Schilling falls short of what a HOF pitcher should be. Pedro will go in on the first ballot, but not Schilling. Besides, I'm sure most people in here don't even have Schilling in their top 10 pitchers of this generation - 1980 - 2008
post #27 of 123
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^dood, you're nuts.

did you stop paying attention after addie joss retired?

Nope, just after Tim O' Keefe
post #28 of 123
^

Al Spalding had great stuff.
post #29 of 123
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I never said they weren't in. IMO Schilling falls short of what a HOF pitcher should be. Pedro will go in on the first ballot, but not Schilling. Besides, I'm sure most people in here don't even have Schilling in their top 10 pitchers of this generation - 1980 - 2008
Clemens Maddux Pedro Big Unit . . . Then what 6 guys left are better than Schilling? Santana maybe, it's a little early. Nolan Ryan, I guess, though his career started in the 60's and he's a bit overrated. Mussina? Blyleven (I like him more than Schilling but most of his best years were in the 70's). Seaver (all time great but mostly before '80.) Who am I forgetting? Carlton, yes, though again with the pre 1980 thing. The 29 season span you chose is not really one generation, but two. I think that Schilling might be the clear #5 of his generation. edit: I forgot Glavine and Smoltz - they're Schilling's equals in my eyes, though I think Schilling edges both of them out if I'm forced to choose. I'd pick Smoltz over Schilling for one game though - two of the best clutch pitchers ever. Also forgot Roy Halladay, though he's a few years away from topping Schilling, he very well could at the rate he's going.
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Clemens
Maddux
Pedro
Big Unit
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Then what 6 guys left are better than Schilling? Santana maybe, it's a little early. Nolan Ryan, I guess, though his career started in the 60's and he's a bit overrated. Mussina? Blyleven (I like him more than Schilling but most of his best years were in the 70's). Seaver (all time great but mostly before '80.) Who am I forgetting? Carlton, yes, though again with the pre 1980 thing. The 29 season span you chose is not really one generation, but two. I think that Schilling might be the clear #5 of his generation.
How about Glavine and Smoltz?
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