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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

On another note, the imbecility of some dog owners never ceases to amaze me.

in NYC it's always the small dogs that raise hell. And then I have to hear the owners go "ooooh Lilly - that's not nice".

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post #3632 of 3791
We are training with Norbert's training hero today. He is very excited.
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Bull Mastiff

 

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Presa Canario

 

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Sharpei

 

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APBT

 

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Rottweiler

 

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Dogue de Bordeaux

 



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English Bulldog

 

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lefty

post #3634 of 3791
Thanks for the great gallery of old photos. Interesting how some of the early Bullmastiffs and DDBs resemble Tosas more than they do the current versions of their own breed, something I have long noticed. Also, how the old Shar-Peis looked like functional fighting dogs. Show breeders just love to take a functional dog and make it grotesque, with lots of wrinkle, etc.

BTW, I don't think those Belgian Army dogs are Rotties. I believe they are the now-extinct Belgian Mastiff (I think that's the right term without looking into it).
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Maybe. Don't know anything about a Belgian Mastiff.

 

Amazing how many old pit pics are with kids.

 

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Mastiff

 

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Fila

 

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lefty

post #3636 of 3791
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....Amazing how many old pit pics are with kids.


lefty

Haven't read this thread in a long while, so not sure if this has already been discussed. I believe that in the USA the pitbull breed was once regarded as the ultimate guard dog for children, considered to be gentle, caring and safe. Therefore the pics with children. It seems that this general perception changed later (1960s?) after pitbulls began to be used as fighting dogs.
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Pitbulls were always fighting dogs. What changed was the rise of animal rights groups which influenced public opinion about dog fights and garnered wide media attention on the breed. The result was putting the dog into the hands of people who should never own a dog let alone a bulldog. 

 

To be fair there were dogs in the old days that were basket cases, but they were handled and dealt with accordingly.

 

lefty

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Lefty, what do you make of all of the pit advocates these days? It seems that they believe pits are the only breed without instincts. By that I mean, I expect my dog to be a pushy asshole and to want to chase things and I fear he will eventually nip a kid, so I am careful knowing these things. But pit advocates try to paint the dogs as having no particular fighting instincts, to be super stable etc. they boast about temperament testing results, knowing that they basically rig the tt stats by encouraging the most stable dogs to take them while the nuts are never tested. I like pits, but it just seems like these apologists are setting up a bad situation for the breed.

Also, I am seeing a lot of pits these days with e collars on, which makes me hopeful about the owners. It's surprising, though, given where I live.
post #3639 of 3791
Thread Starter 

San Francisco is filled with do gooders hell-bent on changing the world by giving a helping hand up the oppressed. 

 

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 While large numbers of pit bull type dogs in this country live out their lives as cherished family companions, many not so fortunate suffer from man-made shortcomings, including unspeakable cruelties, the socio-economic pressures of under-resourced owners, and the relentless biases and discrimination of an ill-informed public. 

 

It should be no surprise that pitbulls occupy a sweet spot for them. 

 

It should also be no surprise to anyone that a Jagd Terrier, given the chance, is going to rip apart the neighbour's cat one day. 

 

Dogs are what they were bred to be.

 

Selling the pitbull as the St Francis Terrier (the pantywaist canine answer to all things and all situations) is really doing a disservice to the breed and potentially fucking up a few families. They are good dogs and while I do think that the majority of them are pretty far removed from fighting lines and really don't exhibit any type of gameness as I understand it, there are many forms of aggression in dogs and ultimately you are looking at a scatter-bred strong dog that can potentially wreck havoc with an inexperienced owner. 

 

I don't see what it's so hard to say - APBT: confident, plucky, hail-fellow-well-met companion animal when properly bred. Expect signs of canine aggression, minor and major, and plan/train accordingly. 

 

Your ACD may nip a running kid, but you're doing everything you can to ward that off by giving him a focus that satisfies and exhausts his drives, and not putting him in a risky situation.

 

I would have thought that e-collars were banned in SanFo. Not sure if you're aware but the methods of training with e-collars has changed drastically over the past 20 years and they are more often used as a low-powered marker for correct behavior than a shock to the neck correction of unwanted behavior.

 

lefty

post #3640 of 3791
the pit rescues that we've been speaking with have all been very forthcoming about the temperaments of individual dogs.
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I would have thought that e-collars were banned in SanFo. Not sure if you're aware but the methods of training with e-collars has changed drastically over the past 20 years and they are more often used as a low-powered marker for correct behavior than a shock to the neck correction of unwanted behavior.

lefty

Yeah, we plan on using an e-collar for some stuff but his trainer, who is awesome, thinks that he needs a little bit more maturity to be able to have it put to use effectively, and there is still so much to do before he gets there. Mainly finishing recall and distance stuff, I guess. I never thought training a dog would be so fun, or addictive, but he certainly is.
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the pit rescues that we've been speaking with have all been very forthcoming about the temperaments of individual dogs.

My issue is that at all times you are dealing with temperament issues that are apparent, and also breed specific issues that aren't necessarily until you get a trigger. At least, that is my theory.
post #3643 of 3791
training the terrier/bull mix has been a ton of fun, and rewarding. Here's to hoping it's not completely undone in a few days, but she has responded extremely well to a consistent effort.


the rotties I've been working with are also a lot of fun to train. The young one has a pronged collar, so every once in a while I'll hear somebody bitch and moan about it, but it works extremely well.
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the pit rescues that we've been speaking with have all been very forthcoming about the temperaments of individual dogs.

My issue is that at all times you are dealing with temperament issues that are apparent, and also breed specific issues that aren't necessarily until you get a trigger. At least, that is my theory.

yeah, it's a valid point. when we visit the pits, we want to give them lots of stimuli to see how they react. big dogs, small high energy dogs, cats (not that I care much about cats), kids, loud noises, distractions, yanks of the neck, etc.
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My issue is that at all times you are dealing with temperament issues that are apparent, and also breed specific issues that aren't necessarily until you get a trigger. At least, that is my theory.

 

There are a lot of triggers in breeds, but all can be modified or channeled if you know what you're doing. Your breed will be a good example of this. While his prey drive will kick in when he sees something run from him you'll be able to easily control/distract him.

 

The problems with pitbulls is that all aggressive behavior becomes "well, it's a pitbull" when quite often it's not traditional dog-to-dog aggression, but something else entirely.

 

Dogness makes up a good 90% (I just pulled that out of my ass to make a point) of temperament in a dog. The other 10% is specific temperament that defines breeds.

 

Glad you're having a good time. Does your dog have a bandanna yet? They're good for hiding the e-collar remote trainer.

 

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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

training the terrier/bull mix has been a ton of fun, and rewarding...

the rotties I've been working with are also a lot of fun to train...

 

Are you running a dog walking business?

 

lefty 

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