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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

A friend of mine worked wit (I believe her name was) Hera after the attack. She tried really hard to save the girl from being put down but said that there was no way with the male, that it was a dog that couldn't live in the human world. That said, she also agrees with your point on harnesses as a general rule, but also points out that in general people use collars that are too large, and that 99.9% of dog owners have such bad timing with corrections along with an unwillingness to be as forceful as is necessary with that kind of correction, that choke chains are a disaster in general..

Hera seemed to have been only peripherally involved in the attack on Ms. Whipple. I can recall talking to one woman who had a friend who worked at the shelter where Hera was housed. The latter reported that the staff could usually chum up a "vicious" dog after a week or so, but Hera remained intractable. If "choke chains are a disaster in general," what is the better alternative if you want to control a large, powerful, high-drive dog: A German pinch collar? A shock collar? Surely not a flat collar or a harness?

As I recall, Bane was put down immediately after the attack. There was a lot of evidence that there was a great deal of psychic instability upline from that dog that the caretakers couldn't have known about. Had their attorneys done their homework properly, I believe that Noel and Knoller (the defendants) would have walked or that at least Knoller would have beaten the murder rap.

Noel and Knoller certainly aggravated the public indignation against them by their outspoken and determined efforts to rescue Hera and restore her to their apartment.

One breeder and professional trainer said of their keeping the dogs in their one-bedroom apartment, "That's no place for such dogs." "Hell," I replied. "Your dogs spend most of their lives in kennel runs smaller than my bathroom!"
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I think her point is not about choke collars but about the inability of the vast majority of people to use them in a way that gets better obedience out of their dogs. Her point is that people tend to correct them too late, correct them too gently, and pull on them at the wrong times, which means that dogs rarely learn much. I think she said that the prong collars, while more brutal looking (and likely to get you egged in San Francisco) actually help alleviate a lot of the user error associated with chokes. None of this was in regard to holding a dog back, only in regard to training it. The harness as in regard to holding it back and basically teaching it to pull badly.
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Thread Starter 

I haven't used a choke collar in twenty years. A properly fitted prong - tight and just under the jaw - is what I use.

 

Harnesses are used to teach dogs to pull and they are "free" to do so as long as I didn't give them a contrary command. As dogs are creatures of opposition the harness is an excellent tool to drive them into a decoy.

 

It's all moot if you don't know the why, how and timing of corrections. 

 

Prongs may well be banned in SanFo.

 

lefty

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So, our vet came by today because her kid wanted to meet the puppy and we got to talking again about castration. She said that there was some new info coming from a study on Viszlas that indicated, again, better long term health from keeping a dog intact, particularly w/r/t cancers. Anyway, she said that we might want to think of a vasectomy if we could handle the scorn from our fellow residents over swinging balls.

I get the belief about no dogs off leash, but that isn't really likely for us, because of the amount of energy these guys have and the efficiency of using a tennis ball, frisbee and ocean to let it out.
post #3590 of 3752
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

Anyway, she said that we might want to think of a vasectomy if we could handle the scorn from our fellow residents over swinging balls.

You have a great looking dog. Go with a vas and leave his nuts alone.

If anyone could handle the scorn of fellow residents, it is you LOL
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Thread Starter 

The odds of your dog being off lead and meeting an intact bitch in heat and also off lead are nil. There's no point to a vasectomy.

 

You may run into some male-to-male aggression when off lead, but training will take care of that. Your dog can be out of physical contact with you yet still be under your control. 

 

It seems you have a trainer so ask him/her about a remote trainer (electronic collar). This will win you no friends in the parks, but at this point I doubt that's much of an issue.

 

lefty

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The odds of your dog being off lead and meeting an intact bitch in heat and also off lead are nil. There's no point to a vasectomy.

That depends on where you live, as perviously mentioned around here its very high.
post #3593 of 3752
Thread Starter 

Not in his town. 

 

lefty

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Bristol Tennessee Gun Club 1920's

 

Bristol's Ferris Queen

 

King's Carolina Bill.  Whelped 1922. Competitive wins, fathered $50 puppies.

 

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Bristol Tennessee Gun Club 1920's

 

Bristol's Ferris Queen

 

King's Carolina Bill.  Whelped 1922. Competitive wins, fathered $50 puppies.

 


Nice photos

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Nitro Expected To Win Westminster Dog Fight.


http://www.theonion.com/articles/nitro-expected-to-win-westminster-dog-fight,35239/



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“I know he has what it takes to avoid being carried out of Westminster in a trash bag,” Caldwell said. “And for me, there’s nothing more satisfying than shaping a dog into a maniacal killer from the moment of its birth, torturing and starving it for years, and then forcing it to fight for its significantly shortened life.”

Edited by redcaimen - 2/11/14 at 9:49pm
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^We had one very lengthy thread on dogfighting a few years back. I will say that I would much rather watch dogs of the fighting breeds fight than engage in the effete, perverted beauty contests known as dog shows. At least it would soon be known who the best dogs are.
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OK... this is going to seem a bit crazy particularly after Jlib's comment... (I understand where you are coming from ... just different strokes for different folks).

First, my dogs litter mate (English cocker) placed second in the breed judging at Westminster. He was a superior dog to the bitch, but didn't have a testicle drop.

To my real question, for at least the third time in like three days he has been curled up on the couch and has yelped/yipped and jumped immediately down to the floor. The first time we were worried that he jumped and twisted something as he landed. More aware, he did this while still on the couch tonight before he jumped down. (Only a split second... but enough to differentiate). Once this happens he either goes and puts himself in a time out (we have him trained that if he does something wrong, he gets a timeout in his crate), he goes to his safe puke spot, or upstairs to our bedroom where he needs to be coaxed down. He clearly thinks he has done something wrong... or has the sense of shame that comes when he pukes and wants to hide from us. ( I know I am ascribing emotions, just trying to describe what happens... not that he really feels x)

My theory is that we have Pendleton wool blankets on the chairs and couch could be giving him a static shock like he gets from his wireless fence. I know it isn't the collar as he has not had it on each time this has happened. Just curious if anyone else had any thoughts...
post #3599 of 3752
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

^We had one very lengthy thread on dogfighting a few years back. I will say that I would much rather watch dogs of the fighting breeds fight than engage in the effete, perverted beauty contests known as dog shows. At least it would soon be known who the best dogs are.

Its the Onion, Jan. Its just a joke. Westminster is a somewhat prim affair. You wouldn't expect them to be engaged in organized dog fighting and this cognitive dissonance is pleasurable to the emotionally immature (me). YMMV.
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Originally Posted by zarathustra View Post

OK... this is going to seem a bit crazy particularly after Jlib's comment... (I understand where you are coming from ... just different strokes for different folks).

First, my dogs litter mate (English cocker) placed second in the breed judging at Westminster. He was a superior dog to the bitch, but didn't have a testicle drop.

To my real question, for at least the third time in like three days he has been curled up on the couch and has yelped/yipped and jumped immediately down to the floor. The first time we were worried that he jumped and twisted something as he landed. More aware, he did this while still on the couch tonight before he jumped down. (Only a split second... but enough to differentiate). Once this happens he either goes and puts himself in a time out (we have him trained that if he does something wrong, he gets a timeout in his crate), he goes to his safe puke spot, or upstairs to our bedroom where he needs to be coaxed down. He clearly thinks he has done something wrong... or has the sense of shame that comes when he pukes and wants to hide from us. ( I know I am ascribing emotions, just trying to describe what happens... not that he really feels x)

My theory is that we have Pendleton wool blankets on the chairs and couch could be giving him a static shock like he gets from his wireless fence. I know it isn't the collar as he has not had it on each time this has happened. Just curious if anyone else had any thoughts...

Congrats on your dog's fine showing, but I am surprised that a dog with an undescended testicle could even qualify.

Your theory about electrostatic shock sounds plausible to me, not that I terribly knowledgeable about these matters. Used to get them a lot when I lived on the High Plains, rarely to never in the water-ish locale where I now dwell.

The one English cocker I ever got to know well impressed me as a very good dog, incomparably better than any American cocker I have ever crossed paths with. Do you do any field work with yours?
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