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post #3181 of 4044
Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

That sounds like my idea of a good time.  I am super jealous.  I have been trying to hunt the stocked pheasant at the state game land by me, but haven't gotten to shoot my gun once yet this season.  Have gone out with my dog, a lab/shepherd mix who doesn't hunt, and is just along for some fresh air, but also my GF's dad who has 3 GSPs.  Will probably go back out tomorrow, even if we don't put up any birds, my dog and I need the exercise.


Do you have to worry about snakes out there?  I hope to hunt wild pheasant one day, its amazing what you mentioned about putting up a flock of hundred/thousands at a time.  Also, I never would have guessed there are pheasant in HI.


Thanks for sharing.


Snakes aren't very common East of the Mo. river which runs North and South through the center of the State. Once you get to the West side of the river they do pick up in numbers, a lot. We hunt about 50 miles East of the river and on the ND border so haven't ever run into any. It usually is pretty cold when we are out there which is several weeks after the season opens so that helps too. A friend is out around Dolan and texted me last night that they limited out yesterday. The high was 15 above zero F with 30 mph winds. That can be some tough hunting! His oldest FB put up all the birds and his hunting friend bought the dog an ice cream cone last night. I would be buying that dog a hot bowl of  soup instead of ice cream in these temps LOL.


I have hunted SGL in several states over the years, and in some states where you can shoot both hen and roosters like North of I-80 in Pa. and Western Washington State. A trip for wild pheasants is something that you should put on your bucket list but be careful, I was only going to do it one time smile.gif

post #3182 of 4044

That's where I am.  Western PA.  If I gave my dog ice cream she would probably have diarrhea from the dairy and sugar.

post #3183 of 4044
Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

In the last 2 weeks the thought crossed my mind each day how lucky I am to have a dog that I don’t deserve. Just got back from the annual pheasant hunt in South Dakota.

very cool write-up and pics- thanks for that-

My Dad grew up in Brookings and I spent a fair amount of time in Eastern SD as a kid- out on the farm and at the lake...used to think it was sooo boring but now when I go back I think it is soo beautiful.

we used to have pheasant for our Thanksgiving day "turkey"...
post #3184 of 4044
Just put in an application for this guy:

Excited to finally get a dog again. It's been a few years since an ex left with my last long-term dog (a badass little shih-tzu).
post #3185 of 4044

^^^ I like his ears.

post #3186 of 4044
Originally Posted by justinsmnz View Post

Just put in an application for this guy:

Excited to finally get a dog again. It's been a few years since an ex left with my last long-term dog (a badass little shih-tzu).

^I've always wanted a dog like that: scruffy, water loving, ready for fun and mid sized around 40lbs.

here's the ultimate in Styleforum + Lefty's dog thread synergy:




^ filson dog coats (size small) on my 8mth old BT.

I'm happy there's a solution to those frigid weird rainy days with the oiled shelter cloth. plus both jackets are reversible (one with the orange safety color - which is useful since we do a ton of hiking in hunting areas and the other in mackinaw wool for those really really cold days).
post #3187 of 4044
Thread Starter 

How thrilled he looks.



post #3188 of 4044
Dogs in clothes often remind me of something...

Kidding, of course. You have a nice looking dog, LawrenceMD.
post #3189 of 4044

yes, my wife made the purchase.

Going out in the rain or snow and coming back with a mostly dry dog is pretty nice.
post #3190 of 4044
My dog had one of these, but it's to small now, so I had to order something new.

post #3191 of 4044
Some recent killings by molossers in the news: A few days ago a 30-year old woman in Fallbrook, California, housesitting for friends was killed by one or more of their eight dogs. The dogs are variously reported to be Olde English Bulldogges, American Bulldogs or crosses of the two breeds (which can be very similar). According to some attempts to reconstruct the event, she may have been trying to break up a dogfight when the dogs redirected on her. She appeared to have bled out from a bite to the femoral artery. I have heard reports of temperamental instability and inappropriate human aggression in OEBs, although the few I've met seemed like stable, friendly dogs.

Yesterday, a woman in Chicago was killed by a 140-pound "mastiff" she and her husband had rescued only a week earlier. The victim was a 44-year-old firefighter, and quite good-looking, I thought. Although most reports simply said "mastiff," some specifically said a "French Mastiff," i.e., a Dogue de Bordeaux. The woman was found dead by her husband, so what provoked the attack is unknown. The people who had gotten rid of the dog did so because they were having a baby and didn't want to be encumbered (a shitty reason for getting rid of a dog, I think) but hadn't mentioned aggression problems.

On a lighter vein, I took put a spiked collar on my solid-black Tosa Cyrus on Halloween Night to make him look more scary and took him down to nearby Second Street, a very "happening" place in Long Beach. A Japanese-looking guy asked me if Cyrus were a "Marmaduke dog." I replied, "No, he's a Japanese Tosa." "Oh, wow, Tosa Inu?" he exclaimed as he jumped back a bit. "Yeah, Tosa-Inu, Tosa-Ken, Tosa-Token, all the same dog," I replied. In an awestruck tone, he said to his girlfriend, "That's the most vicious, dangerous dog in the whole world. They can gut a pit bull." I tried to correct him, saying that while they could be selectively dog-aggressive, they were otherwise really very pleasant, people-friendly dogs. He would have none of it. He kept repeating, "The most vicious, dangerous dog in the world." I think he was quite proud his people had produced such a formidable beast. In the meantime, "the most vicious, dangerous dog in the world" was placidly standing there with a friendly demeanor. Oh well!
post #3192 of 4044

I often wonder if a single dog could overpower and kill me.  3 65lb dogs I could definitely see, but I wonder exactly how it would go down.


I'm about 5'9 165, pretty in shape and physically capable. I wonder if a Mastif could defeat me in a fight to the death.  I know some varieties can be over 200lbs, which is a little intimidating.


How about a 90lb German shepherd?  They seem pretty effective for the police, but sometimes I wonder if I could successfully defend against one.  Obviously once they knock you too the ground  they have the upper hand as they maul the shit out of you.


What about a 200lb deer with antlers?  They don't really have the mouth for biting.  I'm not sure they can do much to hurt you other than impale you with their antlers, but i'm not sure there is much that I could do to hurt them either.  I would definitely try to use my opposable thumbs to my advantage and grab it by the antlers and force it to the ground, not sure how easy that would actually be.


Any thoughts on any of these scenarios?


I expect a 200lb mastiff would probably kick my ass, a German Shepherd too, especially if it had a running starts.  So would a 70lb labrador be my match?

post #3193 of 4044
Thread Starter 

I hate hearing stories of maulings. 


The question of fighting a dog has been debated endlessly on the various dog boards. Here's the thing - it depends.


I have been bitten in the face, bare hands, arms, legs, and once straight into the groin while wearing jeans. A perfect shot that dropped me to the floor and left my dick black and blue for weeks. I can say with no uncertainty that a solid bite from a serious and motivated dog to a sensitive area (inner thigh, armpit) is unbelievably painful. If you add in most people's fear of dogs then it can be relatively easy for a strong dog to overwhelm a person. Kill is another matter. That can happen with a smaller person or child and a lucky bite.


But most dogs are very weak in temperament and if they bite, they do so out of fear. It still hurts, but it can be quite easy to turn or back down a fear biter. I watched a guy back off a half dozen Presas with nothing but an orange in his hand. Weak nerves and they had never seen an orange before.


So, average dog meets average dog-fearing person - there will be a bite, but it will be over quickly. A tie.

Average dog meets average dog-fearing small person - dog wins.

Average dog meets confident person - person wins.


A trained and motivated dog that meets experienced dog person is crap shoot, but I will favour the dog. There are dogs that I would never want to face on their property unless I was suited up. A few that I hated working in a suit because they hurt me so bloody much. One in particular who took half an experienced friend's hand off when he tried to feed the fucking thing. 


The best defense with these dogs is to get away as quickly as possible. If you have to fight you fight hard to hurt it's eyes or paws, or restrain it. A boot slammed down on a dog's paw will give to second thoughts. If you're lucky enough to restrain the animal by a headlock or controlling it's rear legs you never let it go until you can throw it over a fence or toss into a room and shut the door.


If you're desperate you can try to grab the dog's lower jaw and press down. This will make the dog naturally reflex backwards. Again do not let go until you sure get away. The challenge here is that you have to reach into the dog's mouth and will have to suffer some serious damage. 


That's why I give the advantage to the dog. This all sounds easy until you look down and see your torn flesh with blood pouring out and your mind is starting flash away from the blinding pain.




P.S. You can outrun a 200lb mastiff.

post #3194 of 4044

(Keep in mind this is totally hypothetical discussion.  I love dogs and have no desire to fight one)


That's sort of what I was thinking, that if you can get it in a head lock you can choke it in to submission.  I guess a lot of it depends on the size of the dog and the size of the person.  James Harrison could probably handle any single dog.   It would probably also depend on how tough the dog is and how tough the person is.  Meaning the ability to keep fighting while sustaining injury.


My scenario is fearless determined person vs fearless determined dog.  Also, honorable fighting, no eye gouging ect.  You aren't trying to get away, you are both trying to win the fight.  (admittedly this is an unrealistic scenario)  I guess if the dog is 2/3 your size or more and gets you on the ground, its all downhill from there. But if you can stay upright and get the dog by the back legs or under the chin, you can probably win.


I probably have been underestimating a dog bite, because I have never been seriously bit by a breed with powerful jaws.

post #3195 of 4044
Thread Starter 

It comes down to who gets the first shot in and who is lucky with that shot. If a determined dog hits you in the inner thigh with a deep bite you will pass out.


It is not that easy to get a dog that's trying to bite you in a headlock. Best thing to do is feed him a forearm, pull him in and try to use the other arm to wrap around his neck.



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