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post #2851 of 3713
the really fucked up situation was the one in texas, where the cops showed up to the wrong house for a raid, shot the family dog inside its own yard (as it slowly walked towards them wagging its tail) and then refused to apologize or acknowledge fault
post #2852 of 3713
I think the reaction of the cop is reasonable. A shame it's once again the fault of a human that put all the people, the dog and the cop into this situation in first place.
post #2853 of 3713
Had the officer missed the dog, what are the changes of the bullet ricocheting off the street?
post #2854 of 3713
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

the really fucked up situation was the one in texas, where the cops showed up to the wrong house for a raid, shot the family dog inside its own yard (as it slowly walked towards them wagging its tail) and then refused to apologize or acknowledge fault

 

Which is the usual story. 

 

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Had the officer missed the dog, what are the changes of the bullet ricocheting off the street?

 

No idea. I'm sure JLib will know. I thought it was a pretty good shot.

 

lefty

post #2855 of 3713
Cops do love to kill dogs, don't they?

As to the matter of ricochet, there are a lot of variables--angle of impact, bullet design, etc. As a general matter, the closer the dog was and the steeper the angle of the shot, the less the likelihood of a dangerous ricochet.
post #2856 of 3713
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No idea. I'm sure JLib will know. I thought it was a pretty good shot.

lefty

I thought it was a pretty accurate shot as well, which, in part, is why I ask the question - a dog running at you doesn't seem the easiest target to me. Maybe the dog would have bitten, but it wasn't going to kill the officer. A stray bullet, I would think, would have had a much better chance of killing a bystander. Use of potentially lethal force against the dog may have been justified, but in the form of a bullet in the middle of a crowded street - I don't think so. One assumes a certain amount of risk when choosing a career as a police officer. Easy for me to say from behind my keyboard, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

Cops do love to kill dogs, don't they?
As to the matter of ricochet, there are a lot of variables--angle of impact, bullet design, etc. As a general matter, the closer the dog was and the steeper the angle of the shot, the less the likelihood of a dangerous ricochet.

Appears that this dog has survived (so far), but some cops sure do! That explanation makes sense, thanks.
Edited by dcg - 8/16/12 at 9:37pm
post #2857 of 3713
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Pedigree dog spot shot at 1000 fps.

 

 

lefty

post #2858 of 3713
My spayed Pyr has been showing dominant behaviour since reaching adulthood; the situation really only gets escalated with medium/large breeds, dogs or bitches, and never towards pups. Yoda really only gets into it with other dogs at leash-free parks but, living in a rural area, we don't come across other dogs too often.
I've been told by many "experts" (her vet, breeder, ppl with a lot more experience with dogs than me) that this is innate to the breed, and they'd be more surprised if she behaved like the other dogs at the park, there's far too much stimulation for a Pyr at a dog park, etc. While I think this is mostly true, part of me thinks what they want to really say is that I did a shitty job socializing my dog.
post #2859 of 3713
^I'd go along with the "experts" on this one! Pyrs are livestock guardians, so a certain amount of aggression toward other canines, particularly those that pose a challenge is really pretty innate, as they told you. Spaying and cutting down on estrogen production didn't help, I'm sure.

I doubt very seriously that you did a "shitty" job socializing your dog. If getting a dog that would be an ideal fit in a dog park was a major priority, you shouldn't have gotten a Pyr or any other livestock guardian breed, just as you wouldn't get a fighting breed.

However, all really serious dog people I know (as opposed to saphead "dog lovers") shun dog parks--filthy places, ideal for picking up fleas and diseases and getting into impromptu dogfights!

I'm confident lefty will back up what I'm saying about Pyrs.
post #2860 of 3713
World dog high jump champion: greyhound jumps 5'8". I got to watch her jump, pretty incredible feat of canine athleticism.
post #2861 of 3713
^^ Yeah, I'm very fortunate to be acquainted with these people - indebted to them for the little I do know too. They share your sentiments about the parks. It's just that on the rare occurrence where Yoda did not get in a fight, she really seemed to enjoy herself. Anyway, took the advice a long time ago and haven't been to one in over a year....long walks and short runs on leash instead.

I'm curious though - would her behaviour in dog parks be an accurate predictor of how she'd do if introduced into a proper pack?

Gratuitous shot of her:

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post #2862 of 3713
^^ Cute pyr. I miss mine; she's 12 now, still seemingly healthy but you never know at that age. Sucks that I'll probably be away from home when shes passes on.
post #2863 of 3713
A few more comments after re-reading your post J: Affinity to dog parks were not part of the criteria just something I discovered recently during some time between jobs. I used to have some chickens and ducks she unsuccessfully guarded from indoors and, now, she guards the property as well as the 2 or 3 on each side of me....all from indoors of course smile.gif

I have met some level-headed dog owners at the park, but most are as you've described. The comments and looks I got after some tense situations were hilarious - most of them after I've gotten control of mine while they do nothing. Stupid ass people.
post #2864 of 3713
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You can't be surprised when your Beagle runs away for three hours on a scent.

Or your Jack Russell digs up the garden.

Or your Whippet runs down a squirrel.

 

You can't be surprised when your big rough dog acts like a big rough dog. 

 

If they're worth their salt, dogs will scrap with each other especially in a dog park situation. It usually amounts to nothing and is not worth fretting over too much. Now, you have a large dog with a lot of coat so if he's smacking around smaller shorter-haired dogs they're going to get bloody and you will have some unhappy owners. If you want some canine/human socialization, find the one or two dogs/people you like and walk with them. Dogs are far calmer and less apt to fight while moving. In fact, that is a good way to introduce strange dogs to each other - long walks on lead until you're reasonably sure they're good with each other.

 

When you say "proper pack" what are you referring to?

 

Nice jump on the greyhound.

 

lefty

post #2865 of 3713
By proper pack I meant a group of dogs that are not tense around each other, heads are low...each dog knows its place ie. not alpha.

Funny you mention the motion thing.....I'm currently dog sitting a friend's male sheltie; first day I discover he's very standoffish and doesn't want to have anything to do with Yoda, which kind of fuelled her to pester him even more; basically, she just walked around after him forcing him to retreat under the kitchen table and chair legs. I walked them at the same time that evening both on leads, and after both seemed to tolerate each other a lot more than prior. We're two weeks in and no incidents.

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He certainly exhibits some weird behaviours: several times a day he humps the shit out of the stuffed elephant you see in the picture getting pretty aggressive with it; a few days ago I found the elephant's tail detached and sticking out from under my couch...I'm sure a product of one oh his sessions; he'll sometimes bark when me or a family member opens a bedroom door to walk down the hallway in to the family room where he is; he doesn't raise a leg when he pees...well sometimes a foreleg.
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