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post #31 of 145
3/19/09 at 3:53am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk#Controversy
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post #32 of 145
3/19/09 at 4:14am
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Originally Posted by GucciKid View Post
I've experienced increased energy and performance since cutting dairy and wheat products from my diet, it certainly isn't easy to do though.

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post #33 of 145
3/19/09 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by quevola View Post
This argument is just old and ridiculous. Humans are the only animals that eat bbq ribs, egg's benedict, drink champagne, smoke hash, watch porn, use condoms, etc.....

Give a motherfuckin cat a glass of milk and see if he don't drink that sh*t up.

Humans (some, used to be all), as well as all other animals develop lactose intolerance after infancy. Technically it is not something we are supposed to drink. Animals don't eat barbecued ribs and eggs benedict because they don't have the cookware and opposable thumbs to make them. What other foods do all animals actually develop an intolerance to? There have been studies showing why milk isn't so good for you after all. jlluch touched on that, funny how no one responded.

Oh, and you're not supposed to feed cats milk for a reason.

And yes you can get sufficient amounts of calcium without dairy if you have a balanced diet. Funny how the countries with the highest rates of conditions associated with low calcium consumption are also dairy consuming countries.
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post #34 of 145
3/19/09 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by holymadness View Post
I've heard the silly argument that milk (or rather, milk advocacy) is racist because certain ethnic groups can't metabolize the calcium.

I read an article in a genetics journal about this a few years ago, lactose tolerance became widespread in Northern Europeans around 4,000 years ago (which is extremely recent in genetic terms).

If PETA wants to get racist though, lactose tolerance also evolved (and did so much earlier) in a few tribes in East and Central Africa. It just never spread throughout the continent due to the lack of utility in other tribes and Africa's much higher genetic diversity.

I also believe a few east Asian populations developed it too due to prolonged interaction with yaks.
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post #35 of 145
3/19/09 at 9:57am
there are very good arguments against eating grain and milk - essentially food products that man starting eating after almost all evelutionary development was conplete. I dont drink milk, but consume a good amount of dairy, and consume very little grain products. I'm not fanatical about it, though. I think that all of those people who become fanatical and missionary about this kind of thing are nuts.
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post #36 of 145
3/19/09 at 10:06am
^ +1 Even if you're against milk, you don't have to throw all dairy out. I think I might die without yogurt. And having a little milk in your coffee isn't going to make anyone combust.
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post #37 of 145
3/19/09 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

If PETA wants to get racist though, lactose tolerance also evolved (and did so much earlier) in a few tribes in East and Central Africa. It just never spread throughout the continent due to the lack of utility in other tribes and Africa's much higher genetic diversity.

Those groups that lactose tolerance is high in tend to be pastoralist as well, where having tolerance would be more beneficial.
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post #38 of 145
3/19/09 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by Fat-Elvis View Post
Humans (some, used to be all), as well as all other animals develop lactose intolerance after infancy. Technically it is not something we are supposed to drink

What single food are humans "suppose to eat"? We are omnivores and pretty much eat whatever we can eat. So people can drink milk, largely because whatever population their ancestors are from decided that they were "suppose to eat" milk.
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post #39 of 145
3/19/09 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by Fat-Elvis View Post
Humans (some, used to be all), as well as all other animals develop lactose intolerance after infancy. Technically it is not something we are supposed to drink. Animals don't eat barbecued ribs and eggs benedict because they don't have the cookware and opposable thumbs to make them. What other foods do all animals actually develop an intolerance to? There have been studies showing why milk isn't so good for you after all. jlluch touched on that, funny how no one responded.

Because those studies extrapolate information incorrectly and confuse causation and correlation. Like always. Animals don't eat barbecued ribs and Eggs Benedict because they're not humans and we are. And as humans, we can drink milk.
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post #40 of 145
3/19/09 at 12:02pm
i like milk, and i love ice cream. unfortunately, like most east asians, i am lactose intolerant. BOOO
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post #41 of 145
3/19/09 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by Fat-Elvis View Post
Funny how the countries with the highest rates of conditions associated with low calcium consumption are also dairy consuming countries.

Again, correlation <> causation. For example, sickle cell is a genetically inherited disease prevalent in tropical and subtropical areas of Africa, where malaria also does the most damage. Your kind of "logic" will deduce that they're twin sisters (one causes another), but in fact people with sickle cell gene is more resistant to malaria.



A study covered by the NYTimes suggests that the ability to digest milk is something human acquired during the course of evolution. Cherish it.


BTW, most primates have opposable thumb.
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post #42 of 145
3/19/09 at 12:38pm
Milk is awesome.
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post #43 of 145
3/19/09 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by Fat-Elvis View Post
Humans (some, used to be all), as well as all other animals develop lactose intolerance after infancy. Technically it is not something we are supposed to drink. Animals don't eat barbecued ribs and eggs benedict because they don't have the cookware and opposable thumbs to make them. What other foods do all animals actually develop an intolerance to? There have been studies showing why milk isn't so good for you after all. jlluch touched on that, funny how no one responded.

Oh, and you're not supposed to feed cats milk for a reason.

And yes you can get sufficient amounts of calcium without dairy if you have a balanced diet. Funny how the countries with the highest rates of conditions associated with low calcium consumption are also dairy consuming countries.

Ever hear of celiac's disease, food allergies to nuts, cherries, soy, etc? Humans develop "intolerances" to a lot of substances - ask Steven Adler if you don't believe me.

Technically we're not supposed to do a lot of things, but we do. If drinking milk is the worst thing a person does, then that person is just a pussy. And any study that concludes that milk is bad for you is probably funded by some pansy vegan group
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post #44 of 145
3/19/09 at 1:15pm
How about the whole raw milk debate? Check out www.realmilk.com - has alot to contribute to this debate (though they are inherently biased in their preference for raw, unprocessed, local milk). I've never had raw milk personally, and it is illegal to sell it in Ontario (I believe - there has been a case going on for a while where a farmer is being charged for selling raw milk to locals in his community that wanted to purchase it directly from him, unprocessed). At the same time, a friend of my gf's in University grey up on a dairy farm. He has drunk raw milk since he was a child and can tolerate it, but says he would never provide it to others because it would make them quite sick...
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post #45 of 145
3/19/09 at 1:26pm
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How about the whole raw milk debate?
Check out www.realmilk.com - has alot to contribute to this debate (though they are inherently biased in their preference for raw, unprocessed, local milk).
I've never had raw milk personally, and it is illegal to sell it in Ontario (I believe - there has been a case going on for a while where a farmer is being charged for selling raw milk to locals in his community that wanted to purchase it directly from him, unprocessed).
At the same time, a friend of my gf's in University grey up on a dairy farm. He has drunk raw milk since he was a child and can tolerate it, but says he would never provide it to others because it would make them quite sick...

If this is any indication of their argument then that site is useless:
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Back in the 20s, Americans could buy fresh raw whole milk, real clabber and buttermilk, luscious naturally yellow butter, fresh farm cheeses and cream in various colors and thicknesses. Today's milk is accused of causing everything from allergies to heart disease to cancer, but when Americans could buy Real Milk, these diseases were rare.
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