or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › General › General Chat › Scandinavian Prisons
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Scandinavian Prisons - Page 2

post #16 of 37
Yeah... its obvious the punitive factor is insignificant compared to the US....but is there any evidence that Swedish prisons actually "rehabiliate"?
post #17 of 37
Seeing as approx. half of the "clients" have been imprisoned before, the system is obviously a failure. If you take into consideration that about 1/4 of inmates will be deported once they have served their sentences, one could say that it is possible that 2/3 of Swedish inmates serve a second sentence (or higher).
post #18 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by SwedishFish View Post
Seeing as approx. half of the "clients" have been imprisoned before, the system is obviously a failure. If you take into consideration that about 1/4 of inmates will be deported once they have served their sentences, one could say that it is possible that 2/3 of Swedish inmates serve a second sentence (or higher).

Its similar here in America, only our re-entry rates are likely higher. I don't think it is the relative "quality" of your stay that causes that, however.

I'm curious, what is the crime rate in Sweden? It seems that there would be a very small prison population. At least that's what I'm basing all of Scandinavia on, despite only having visited Finland.
post #19 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by uhurit View Post
Yeah... its obvious the punitive factor is insignificant compared to the US....but is there any evidence that Swedish prisons actually "rehabiliate"?

Even if it did, I'm not sure it would be persuasive evidence that the same accomodations for US prisoners would "rehabilitate" our prisoners. The people are just different-based on social morays, ethics, norms, cultural background and environment.

Where I am at, the prisoners would laugh at this shit, serve their time with credits from 4019 PC time, 2931, 2933, et al, get out and commit more crime. Prisons just seem to be a "university level" facility for criminals-it makes prisoners tough-real tough and educates them on how to successfully complete more crimes. Plus it gives them "street cred," which garners respect from peers. Thus, more incentive to commit crime and or go back to prison. Rehabilitation isn't working in my jurisdiction-it is just a term to make people feel "good" about the system.

So, what's the answer? I have no idea-I don't think anyone really knows. One things for sure, if I had to go to prison, I would much rather go to sweden!
post #20 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post
I did 20 years in a Malmo prison for murdering a Turk after he tried to use loaded dice in a nice little game in Stockholm.

All in all prison wasn't too bad. Excellent cuisine but a bit boring. Fine meats and fresh fruits and vegetables but no variety. They could have done Chinese or Tex-Mex occasionally.

Wines were excellent, though too many whites and not enough attention paid to the vintages!

The women were fine but again they lacked variety. Nothing but gorgeous blue eyed Swedish blondes ( think of women like Tiger Woods wife ). But it was just a job to them.

Medical and dental insurance were very good. But even though they pay prisoners about 200X the American rate for your work in prison, they kept raising the deductibles! Very annoying.

Cells and physical facilities were fine. Furnishings seemed like mostly Danish modern, but it worked well in Malmo. And the Bang and Olafson electronics provided to all inmates were a very nice touch.

The 20 years just seemed to fly by. If you gotta do time, I'd highly recommend Sweden. I hear that Monaco is a very nice place to do your time too.

cheers
post #21 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post
I did 20 years in a Malmo prison for murdering a Turk after he tried to use loaded dice in a nice little game in Stockholm.

All in all prison wasn't too bad. Excellent cuisine but a bit boring. Fine meats and fresh fruits and vegetables but no variety. They could have done Chinese or Tex-Mex occasionally.

Wines were excellent, though too many whites and not enough attention paid to the vintages!

The women were fine but again they lacked variety. Nothing but gorgeous blue eyed Swedish blondes ( think of women like Tiger Woods wife ). But it was just a job to them.

Medical and dental insurance were very good. But even though they pay prisoners about 200X the American rate for your work in prison, they kept raising the deductibles! Very annoying.

Cells and physical facilities were fine. Furnishings seemed like mostly Danish modern, but it worked well in Malmo. And the Bang and Olafson electronics provided to all inmates were a very nice touch.

The 20 years just seemed to fly by. If you gotta do time, I'd highly recommend Sweden. I hear that Monaco is a very nice place to do your time too.

Your experience seems to agree with native accounts down thread.
post #22 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by the.chikor View Post
So, what's the answer? I have no idea-I don't think anyone really knows. One things for sure, if I had to go to prison, I would much rather go to sweden!

Angola aka "The Farm" in Louisiana.
post #23 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post
I did 20 years in a Malmo prison for murdering a Turk after he tried to use loaded dice in a nice little game in Stockholm.

All in all prison wasn't too bad. Excellent cuisine but a bit boring. Fine meats and fresh fruits and vegetables but no variety. They could have done Chinese or Tex-Mex occasionally.

Wines were excellent, though too many whites and not enough attention paid to the vintages!

The women were fine but again they lacked variety. Nothing but gorgeous blue eyed Swedish blondes ( think of women like Tiger Woods wife ). But it was just a job to them.

Medical and dental insurance were very good. But even though they pay prisoners about 200X the American rate for your work in prison, they kept raising the deductibles! Very annoying.

Cells and physical facilities were fine. Furnishings seemed like mostly Danish modern, but it worked well in Malmo. And the Bang and Olafson electronics provided to all inmates were a very nice touch.

The 20 years just seemed to fly by. If you gotta do time, I'd highly recommend Sweden. I hear that Monaco is a very nice place to do your time too.

Hillarious!
post #24 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by SwedishFish View Post
Seeing as approx. half of the "clients" have been imprisoned before, the system is obviously a failure. If you take into consideration that about 1/4 of inmates will be deported once they have served their sentences, one could say that it is possible that 2/3 of Swedish inmates serve a second sentence (or higher).

Sweden and Finland should outsource their prisons to Russians: cheaper for the state and much more educational for inmates.
post #25 of 37
paging Flieger.
post #26 of 37
in sweden it depends on the prison. the places where you serve your sentence are nice looking indeed. but then there is what they can "remand prisons" . in a remand prison you spend all your time in a small, dark unclean cell with not even a window sometimes. If you want to go to the bathroom you have to get a guards attention and they will escort you to the washroom.

There are also reports of unfair treatment of minority prisoners including racial slurs and denial of washroom facilities. so it all depends where. And alot of prisons are in remote places which is a good idea actually.
post #27 of 37
^Yes, but the remand prisons are usually in the police stations and are mainly for locking away drugged up junkies and drunk drivers for a night or two. As you state, the actual prison facilities are like the pics shown in this thread. As a matter of fact the pics are linked from the official website of the correctional system.
post #28 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by SwedishFish View Post
^Yes, but the remand prisons are usually in the police stations and are mainly for locking away drugged up junkies and drunk drivers for a night or two. As you state, the actual prison facilities are like the pics shown in this thread. As a matter of fact the pics are linked form the official website of the correctional system.

yup. the main thing for me was you could tell sweden wasn't ready for the gothenburg incident. perfectly good for everyday stuff though
post #29 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by SwedishFish View Post
Welfare. You will earn a better income not working than working a low income job, e.g. McDonalds or entry-level retail. If you qualify for a housing subsidy, you can live pretty comfortable of off other peoples' hard earned dough.

Btw, I found this image of a Swedish prison cell...

Slightly crappier room, but still ok: http://www.kriminalvarden.se/templat...l.aspx?id=2290

My brother and I visited a friend in Stockholm nearly 26 years ago. He stayed at his girlfriend's (now wife) parent's house and we stayed in his studio. It was a decent place if a bit small. He told me then that some of the people living in identical apartments were not working at all. I thought that was outrageous! I would say I am liberal leaning, but I believe working people should have better accommodations than the people living off of their tax money. Unfortunately not everyone will work just because it is the right thing to do; they need some incentive.
post #30 of 37
Here is a titbit translated from the official website of the Danish prison facility at Horserød:

"The prison was put into use in 1945-1946. It is a barack facility mainly constructed during WW1 as a Red Cross camp for sick Russian, German and Austrian POWs.

Capacity
Horserød is an open prison with a capacity of 221 split over 10 wards. In four of the wards both men and women stay[yes, that it how it is written..]. There is a family ward with a capacity of 15 where inmates may bring their small children (up to app three years). There is a drug free ward with a capacity of 23. No actual drug trreatment is done here. In both wards there is a strong focus on creating a peaceful and considerate environment, free from alcohol and drugs. There is also a semi-open ward where convicts can be placed as an alternative to closed prison. This ward accepts only male inmates."

I guess this is the type of prison you could go to for e.g. severe traffic offences, theft, financial crime etc. but not if you are deemed to be dangerous. I think the picture from the facility in Sweden is represaentative of this also.

Another quote that I could not resist:
"Many inmates are in a difficult situation and in need of support. Each inmate has a contact person [a prison warden] who looks out for the interests of the inmate and in that connection the contact will regularly visit the inmate in his cell for a chat."

This (including the concept of an "open prison") may sound strange to some but I guess the basic idea is that punishment in itself does not lead to rehabilitation. Some might think that it has been taken too far.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: General Chat
Styleforum › Forums › General › General Chat › Scandinavian Prisons