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Italian shirt standard size 41 = sleeve length

post #1 of 13
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anyone know what the standard sleeve length would be on an italian size 41 shirt. Or do the differ by make. For example i think that barba's are 34" while borelli's might be 35 This is queried in order to buy online where you cant try on the shirt. US size 16/35 is what ? thanks all sorry for the stupid question but couldnt find any prior posts.
post #2 of 13
It really does vary maker by maker, and even particular makers will vary the sleeve length depending on what market the shirt was made for. However, if you are worried about too short of sleeves, I've never seen a 41 have a sleeve shorter than 34". I've seen Borrelli and Brioni shirts with sleeves all the way up to 37" however. But the Brioni shirts that were made for Barneys that I picked up recently had slightly shorter sleeves than that. So it varies wildly.
post #3 of 13
The European size designation 41 is just metric for what we would label 16 (41 cm. = 16.14").  This is the NECK size and tells you absolutely nothing about the sleeve length.  You need to have that information to make an informed purchase.  Size 41's can have sleeve lengths anywhere from about 32" to 37". Sometimes the sleeve length is given exactly, as, say, 34.  More often it will be given in 2" increments, as, for example, 32/33, 34/35, 36/37 (these are the pairings that are used).  In my experience, most 34/35s run about 35", and I have bought some that have gone to 36".  When buying online--as, for example, from eBay--you really need to ask the seller the question about sleeve length, and ask that person to actually measure the sleeve length (correctly: starting from the middle of the back, just under the collar, proceeding across the shoulder to the shoulder/sleeve seam, and then down the sleeve to the end of the cuff).  Once you know what your correct measurement is, you can ensure that, before buying a shirt this way, you are satisfied that it has this sleeve length.  I wouldn't trust the listing giving "34/35", for example, to  guarantee a sleeve length of 35".  Ask the seller to measure.
post #4 of 13
European dress shirts with just a neck sizing have extra long sleeves, so that they may be tailored to the wearers specifications. Usually the sleeves are about 35" or greater. This is the way it works for all the expensive ones at least.
post #5 of 13
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European dress shirts with just a neck sizing have extra long sleeves, so that they may be tailored to the wearers specifications.  Usually the sleeves are about 35" or greater. This is the way it works for all the expensive ones at least.
Exactly. I was just about to post this. Tailoring of sleeve lengths in Europe is more common than in the American market.
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
thanks all for the replies....informative and timely
post #7 of 13
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European dress shirts with just a neck sizing have extra long sleeves, so that they may be tailored to the wearers specifications.  Usually the sleeves are about 35" or greater. This is the way it works for all the expensive ones at least.
This is not true with Zegna RTW. I wear a 16.5/35 or 36, and the Zegna sleeves are always relatively short, with exception to the evening shirts. I consider Zegna expensive, so this may be the one maker that violates your rule.
post #8 of 13
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This is not true with Zegna RTW. I wear a 16.5/35 or 36, and the Zegna sleeves are always relatively short, with exception to the evening shirts. I consider Zegna expensive, so this may be the one maker that violates your rule.
Zegna is one Italian maker whose cuts vary drastically between the US and Euro market. All their stuff that's sold in the US is very Americanized. Their dress shirts aren't that expensive. $225? No?
post #9 of 13
In my book, $225 for a very plain shirt is pretty expensive. Speaking of Americanized goods, do the Zegna suits in Europe have a lot more shape to them?
post #10 of 13
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In my book, $225 for a very plain shirt is pretty expensive. Speaking of Americanized goods, do the Zegna suits in Europe have a lot more shape to them?
Much more shape. Even by American standards, Zegna suits have a conservative shape. $225 is expensive to me as well for a shirt (certainly more than I can spend). However, if you look into it, the real high end dress shirt market starts at $300; plenty of makers above that: Borrelli, Charvet, Kiton, RLPL, Brioni, Armani, some Etro, Gucci. On all these, there is no sleeve length (I'm almost sure of that).
post #11 of 13
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This is not true with Zegna RTW.  I wear a 16.5/35 or 36, and the Zegna sleeves are always relatively short, with exception to the evening shirts.  I consider Zegna expensive, so this may be the one maker that violates your rule.
The Zegna dress shirts I have seen come in two sleeve lengths, R(egular) and L(ong).  Regular is around 33" and Long is about 36".
post #12 of 13
I asked my local retailer that carries Zegna if they could order a long, assuming that Zegna must make at least two sleeve lengths considering the short sleeves I'd received, but he had absolutely no idea what I was talking about. This guy owns the store and knows his stuff really well, could it be that some of the shirts are offered in two lengths and others are offered only in one?
post #13 of 13
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It really does vary maker by maker,
True. I was in Florence two weeks ago and stopped in several single-brand shirt shops. In each one, after measuring my neck and arm, the sales person consulted a chart to see if they had something that fit. The maximum sleeve length was different from shop to shop, for the same neck measurement.
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