It's not quite thickness of fabric, but the thickness of the wool used in making it. The higher the number, the finer the wool, which I believe generally means softer and lighter weight fabrics, but also less durable.
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Fellow Canadian here so I understand your desire to avoid returns.
I would say the Italian made ones are definitely slimmer in the upper block than the equivalent sized BB milano fit chinos (I don't have any BB wool trousers, so I can't compare to those). While BB fit me great off the rack, I had to fully let out the seat, crotch, and upper thighs of my HY wool trousers to fit. The fit now is great though, but I will go with made in the USA HY trousers in the future. Great pants overall, and I'm very happy with them.

Fellow Canadian here so I understand your desire to avoid returns.
I would say the Italian made ones are definitely slimmer in the upper block than the equivalent sized BB milano fit chinos (I don't have any BB wool trousers, so I can't compare to those). While BB fit me great off the rack, I had to fully let out the seat, crotch, and upper thighs of my HY wool trousers to fit. The fit now is great though, but I will go with made in the USA HY trousers in the future. Great pants overall, and I'm very happy with them.
If you'd sized up one in the Italian pants, sounds like they would've fit properly without extensive alterations.

Fellow Canadian here so I understand your desire to avoid returns.
I would say the Italian made ones are definitely slimmer in the upper block than the equivalent sized BB milano fit chinos (I don't have any BB wool trousers, so I can't compare to those). While BB fit me great off the rack, I had to fully let out the seat, crotch, and upper thighs of my HY wool trousers to fit. The fit now is great though, but I will go with made in the USA HY trousers in the future. Great pants overall, and I'm very happy with them.
Wow, thanks for the info. Wouldn't have thought that the Italian-made trousers were *that* slim. Will definitely give the US-made ones a try!
You're welcome. As mentioned above upsizing solves the problem with the italian ones, which I've done successfully before. It just happened in this one case (my first from HY) that the higher size were out of stock. Don't hesitate to get the Italian ones if you can go up a size and don't mind the waist alteration expense. Good luck!
I just opened up the waist of my blue herringbone linen, seems that they shrunk a bit. I wanted to avoid dry cleaning on the linen and cotton trousers, but be warned, they do shrink-even hang dry after cold wash. I will be letting at least 1", you might be able to do a little more. I can report back tonight.
They'll be coming up in the next couple of weeks. I didn't want to put too much out there too far in advance of the season. And this will allow more of the collection to assemble, Voltron-like, at HY HQ.
I think 1.5" is safe. It's a standard inlay. Any more than that and I'd suggest sizing up. The run slim in the thigh so generally I advise sizing up if you think they're going to be tight.

I just opened up the waist of my blue herringbone linen, seems that they shrunk a bit. I wanted to avoid dry cleaning on the linen and cotton trousers, but be warned, they do shrink-even hang dry after cold wash. I will be letting at least 1", you might be able to do a little more. I can report back tonight.
Jamison, what is your thought on this? What would be your preferred way to clean your navy blue summer linen-cotton suit?
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