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post #16 of 23
Christian, I think you missed one point I made in which "criticism is OK as long as it is not slanderous and unjustified". I think it is safe to say that critisizing based on ethnicity is unjustified. According to your posts I think you would agree. I would ask you to please refrain from using portions of my posts out of context. Thanks.
post #17 of 23
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I've noticed that we like to criticize several well known clothing companies, and will even name the salesman or tailor sometimes. However, after reading Mr. Kabbaz's statements about the importance of reputation, I think its important that we take a step back and ask ourselves if we would feel comfortable making the same accusations against some of our vendors who frequent this forum. If not, how come? I only ask that we extend the same courtesy to those companies as we have to the vendors who frequent this forum. Like Mr. Kabbaz pointed out, one's reputation is one of the most important things in his industry. And, when we pile on some of these companies, we are damaging their reputation and this has serious consequences. They all have workers they employ whose jobs are at risk if we destroy their companies reputation.
I have made purchases with several members of the forum that are business owners/operators.  I have publically praised those with whom I was satisfied, and simply withheld comment when I was displeased with the transaction.   This says much more about my personality than it does about the human dynamic on the forum.   I rarely take the time to complain when I receive disappointing service or a substandard product.  I simply don't patronize that establishment a second time. Bic
post #18 of 23
The thread that jumps to my mind when I read this is the recent AA debacle with Ravi and Policy. Policy showed with some abysmal pics and slammed Ravi - and we were all damn quick to torch Ravi on the grounds that he is a cut price tailor from Thailand, and I include myself to be among the guilty chorus of 'got what you paid for' But as the evidence unravelled it became more and more evident that Ravi was not to blame here, and indeed when Ravi showed up in the thread, acted as a thorough gentleman, and pretty effectively dismissed the whole situation. Indeed in this case the vendor was entirely right, and the customer a moron. Ravi is starting to turn himself into a respected member of the boards - I know I personally welcome and appreciate his input in the project I have going on. Indeed his management of this situation (where he is seemingly making an entirely new coat for Policy despite the fact that he followed orders to the letter on the original) certainly wins my trust and respect of his practises. As for Policy - he's been banned from here and blasted into near silence by Malinda there. Was an interesting case study into one person's 'worst experience' and how, indeed, it was entirely the customer's fault that the experience was bad - and that recourse to the forums actually exposed the weakness of the customer rather than of the supplier. Matt
post #19 of 23
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Christian, I think you missed one point I made in which "criticism is OK as long as it is not slanderous and unjustified".  I think it is safe to say that critisizing based on ethnicity is unjustified.  According to your posts I think you would agree.  I would ask you to please refrain from using portions of my posts out of context.  Thanks.
My apologies, Ed13. But, if you had read the thread about Chan, you would have seen many of the members deride Chan's quality soley because it is established in Hong Kong and that the workers there were Chinese. In fact, you'll see the critism arise quite a few times on this board. People will write that for whatever reason, just because Brooks Brothers shirt is made in Malaysia instead of America, it is inferior in quality. I would challenge most of those posters by asking them to compare the two shirts with the label of origin and if they could still choose which one was 'better.' Ravi is an example of what happens too often. Because he doesn't post here, we're more than willing to go after him and destroy his reputation. I've also seen similar attacks against Whitcomb & Shaftesbury, before anybody has even bought one of their suits. What would have happened if somebody had made the same accusations against Darren Beaman? Would we have been so quick to jump into the fray, or would we have defended his work so vigourously that nobody would dare post anything else critical of his work? Its not fair to expect every company to send a represenative into this forum, and entertain us. They're busy men. The more time they spend here, they less time they'd have to create and perfect their products. Although, it would probably help their business since this forum is a great way for businesses to promote and advertise their products. The only reason Ravi responded was because some of his customers alerted him to those attacks.
post #20 of 23
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The only danger with virtual communities such as these is people posting falsely or libelously, or more innocently not taking reasonable steps to resolve the dispute before slamming some vendor in this forum.
Maybe, the lawyers on this forum could clear the issue of 'libel' for me. I know that it has be 1) untrue 2) intended to hurt the other party Yet, I've seen some people imply Calvin Klein is a homosexual who likes to chase underage or young men on this forum, and that Tom Cruise is one as well. Why wouldn't that be considered to be libel? If Tom Cruise's fans thought that he wasn't heterosexual, wouldn't that hurt his repuation and damage his career?
post #21 of 23
Christian: I don't think anyone attacked Whitcomb & Shaftesbury for being third world or anything.  If fact, W&S claims their stuff is made in the UK.  We (okay, I) did question whether they can offer what they claim to offer (a fully bespoke suit, handmade in the UK with Huddersfield cloth) at the price they claim ($1,250; dollars, not Sterling).  I just seriously have my doubts.  Some backstreet, totally unknown tailors charge that or less, but those guys are working for themselves with no mark-up and negligible overhead, hence a totally different business model than W&S.  And many of them cut some significant corners when it comes to pattern cutting and handwork. What also struck me as odd about W&S is that their shirt prices seem about right for what they claim to offer.  But those suit prices are either a misprint or a deception or market "dumping" or a miracle.
post #22 of 23
Manton, That's a fair point, although I don't understand why they can't do it. After all, some vendors here claim their products are the best MTM shoes on the market at a fraction of their competitors or that their seven fold ties are equal in quality to seven fold ties from other companies even though their price is half of others. I don't remember who, but somebody chimed in that the owners behind Whitcomb & Shaftesbury were Indian. To me, the underlying innuendo was that because they were Indian, they couldn't come up with a comparable suit as somebody with lighter skin.
post #23 of 23
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I don't remember who, but somebody chimed in that the owners behind Whitcomb & Shaftesbury were Indian. To me, the underlying innuendo was that because they were Indian, they couldn't come up with a comparable suit as somebody with lighter skin.
Yes, Hindoos can't do anything well.  That must have been what I meant when I made fun of Whitcomb and Shaftesbury.  It must have to do with their dusky complexion.  And the cloth always smells like curry.  And are those betel nut stains? Christian, in all fairness I had trousers made at Kachins, one of the best tailors in India, and while they're nice, particularly at the price, they're nowhere near Savile Row in quality.  Mind you, this is just my opinion w/r/t these trousers, on which at least one reverse pleat is just a tad dodgy and the butt snugger than the trousers I had copied... I can't say I have a thing against Indians, either.  I mean, as a teenager I had run-ins with my parents, but you know, we grow, right? This is not to say that Indians cannot make good tailors -- I think the tailors were quite good. Maybe I should have gone back for a fitting, though my schedule was tight. Given that there's a kaleidoscope of people making suits for Savile Row, from some Greek tailors working for Darren and for Mahon on Kingly Street (yes, see Englishcut), to the Hungarian Stanbury brothers who re-invigorated Kilgour years ago, to Trinidadian Andrew Ramroop at Maurice Sedwell, to Asians, whites, and in all likelihood people of many, many other origins, one cannot be racist about British tailoring. Nationalist? It would no doubt be idiotic to argue that a gifted tailor of Asian descent -- as I imagine there are -- becomes a shear-wielding maniac once he returns to India. I think others have made the other points I'd make in a clear and thoughtful fashion so I'll stop now.
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