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post #181 of 231
Yeah, I realize they take your money. If this is the worst of their sins, they're doing rather well comparitively.
post #182 of 231
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Originally Posted by Arethusa
Yeah, I realize they take your money. If this is the worst of their sins, they're doing rather well comparitively.
Dude. Read. Then come back. Until then, realize you have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.xenu.net/
post #183 of 231
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Originally Posted by j
Dude. Read. Then come back. Until then, realize you have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.xenu.net/

He oftentimes does that.

Jon.
post #184 of 231
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Originally Posted by Arethusa
As for scientology being a cult, well, it's a weird and artificial religion. I still don't see why they bother everyone so much. They're harmless. Muslims, Christians, Jews, and Hindis murder eachother every day. Scientologists just say weird shit and help people stop taking drugs.
To the contrary: Scientologists have a long, and quite well-documented history of some rather serious and threatening activities "dealing" with their critics. I recall reading a fairly scathing expose in Rolling Stone back in the 70s which detailed such "harmless" pranks as putting poisonous snakes in critics' mailboxes.

I don't walk around worrying about them, but I have a real problem putting Scientology and harmless in the same sentence.
post #185 of 231
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Originally Posted by j
Dude. Read. Then come back. Until then, realize you have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.xenu.net/
I'm familiar with the site. Every criticism I have read of scientology so far applies just as easily to any other religion. Hell, I wasn't aware that they put snakes in some people's mailboxes in the 70s, but even if they did, that really doesn't compare to, say, getting blown up if you speak out against fringe right Islam or Christianity. I'm not saying they're harmless in that they literally do no harm. I'm sure they've done some bad things I haven't heard of. But I still see far, far worse coming from other religions, and scientology just seems to get picked on more because it is more artificial, or at least more recently so.
post #186 of 231
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Originally Posted by Arethusa
I'm familiar with the site. Every criticism I have read of scientology so far applies just as easily to any other religion. Hell, I wasn't aware that they put snakes in some people's mailboxes in the 70s, but even if they did, that really doesn't compare to, say, getting blown up if you speak out against fringe right Islam or Christianity. I'm not saying they're harmless in that they literally do no harm. I'm sure they've done some bad things I haven't heard of. But I still see far, far worse coming from other religions, and scientology just seems to get picked on more because it is more artificial, or at least more recently so.
Okay, so you're just being deliberately obtuse. That's cool. Have fun with that.
post #187 of 231
What the hell?
post #188 of 231
look, you don't see nearly as many christian wacko celebrities as you do scientologists. in addition, the general populace is pretty well aware of the wackery inherent in the conventional religions. scientology is insidious because they come across as a self-help club. additionally, scientology is a cult, not a religion. there is more than a semantic difference. (although as an atheist, i think both cults and religions miss the mark.) *edit for typo
post #189 of 231
also, consider the position in society we give the celebrity proselytizers for christianity...jerry falwell, pat robertson, jim bakker, etc. and yet we celebrate folks like tom cruise even though they are on a mission to save the earth from psychiatry.
post #190 of 231
You aren't seriously drawing a parallel between Tom Cruise and Jerry Falwell, are you? If anything, his Christian equivalent is Mel Gibson, and even he is arguably more overbearing (Cruise did not make Passion of Xenu).
post #191 of 231
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Originally Posted by Arethusa
You aren't seriously drawing a parallel between Tom Cruise and Jerry Falwell, are you? If anything, his Christian equivalent is Mel Gibson, and even he is arguably more overbearing (Cruise did not make Passion of Xenu).
it's just a matter of time before he makes a sequel to battlefield earth, though. all i'm really saying, though, is that it's fun to make fun of tom cruise, and that the ridicule is not undeserved.
post #192 of 231
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Originally Posted by faustian bargain
it's just a matter of time before he makes a sequel to battlefield earth, though.

all i'm really saying, though, is that it's fun to make fun of tom cruise, and that the ridicule is not undeserved.

What he said.

Jon.
post #193 of 231
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Originally Posted by faustian bargain
all i'm really saying, though, is that it's fun to make fun of tom cruise, and that the ridicule is not undeserved.
And I guess my point is that it is. I mean, look, I enjoyed the Oprah Force Lighting video as much as everyone else, but America's cult of celebrity, which fully includes obsessing over making fun of everything Tom Cruise does, is both bizarre and depressing, not to mention fairly unwarranted. At the very least, really no more than anyone else in Hollywood. Less than very many, in fact.
post #194 of 231
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Originally Posted by Arethusa
And I guess my point is that it is. I mean, look, I enjoyed the Oprah Force Lighting video as much as everyone else, but America's cult of celebrity, which fully includes obsessing over making fun of everything Tom Cruise does, is both bizarre and depressing, not to mention fairly unwarranted. At the very least, really no more than anyone else in Hollywood. Less than very many, in fact.
well, i'll get around to the rest of 'em later.
post #195 of 231
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Originally Posted by Arethusa
...obsessing over making fun of everything Tom Cruise does, is both bizarre and depressing, not to mention fairly unwarranted. At the very least, really no more than anyone else in Hollywood. Less than very many, in fact.
Tom Cruise, unlike many of his Hollywood peers, has comported himself in a manner which not only draws inordinate attention, but is outside the bounds of widely accepted behavior, and to some at least, therefore attracts ridicule. I don't particularly enjoy poking fun at the little bastard. I feel almost the same as when I drive by a particularly horrid traffic crash: I know I shouldn't gawk, but I can't seem to divert my eyes from the spectacle.
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