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Ok, I've seen posted on here that people should use a separate eye moisturizer. I presume this means an SPF version by day as well. I also saw the Baxter's of California products touted here, so I picked some up. Here are my questions: 1. Why do we need a separate eye moisturizer exactly? The only explanation I can come up with is that regular facial moisturizers tend to use ingrediants like menthol that probably aren't great if they actually get in your eyes. But I'm sure there must be more. 2. Why are eye moisturizers so damn expensive? The Baxters at $18/oz is one of the cheaper ones I've seen. Most others run upwards of $60/oz. The Kiehl's sales people I talked to could only mumble something about the opthamological testing they do. But that doesn't seem to justify something way more ridiculously expensive than even normal overpriced facial moisturizer. I suspect that it's because once the company has figured out you're in the market for a separate eye moisturizer anyway, you are probably a sucker and don't care what you pay. But I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. 3. What ingrediants should I look for? People have complained that they won't buy brands like Clinique that don't post incrediants, yet most brands I've seen that do simply have a mind-numbingly long list of highly artificial and not very nice sounding compounds. I've posted the ingrediants to a few sample brands below. First the Baxter's, then Kiehl's Abyssine Eye Cream (my wife's brand), and the Kiehl's SPF 15 Moisturizer. There's some overlap, but lots of differences as well. The SPF one seems to have way less ingrediants, but obviously that didn't affect the price. What do all these things do? What are they for? My observation on the Baxter's is that it is by far the greasiest skin care product I've ever used. That could be due to the aloe vera (one of the handful of ingrediants I do recognize). I'm not sure I care for it. I've sampled the Kiehl's Abyissine, and like the feel of it, though let's face it, the effects would be visible only over time, and maybe not even then if all that moisturizing did was protect from further damage. I've been eyeballing the Kiehl's SPF 15 because I do think I should have an SPF daytime moisturizer, and they are very rare in the eye market. What other brands do people recommend? Any other general thoughts? I'm hoping our resident personal care experts will turn this into the definitive eye moisturizer topic of all time Baxter Under Eye Complex ($18/1oz): Water Isopropyl Myristate Hydrogenated Polyisobutene Cetyl Palmitate Sorbitan Stearate Glycerin Clyceryl Stearate Cetyl Alcohol Aloe Vera Gel Marine Collagen Sodium PCA Phenoxyethanol Gingko Biloba Extract Sodium Hyaluronate Bisabolol Rose Hips Seed Oil Oat Extract Wild Pansy Extract Glycalipids Methylparaben Proplyparaben Butylparaben Ethyparaben Abyssine Eye Cream ($30/0.5oz): Water Glycerin Cyclohexasiloxane Squalane Stearic Acid Stearly Alcohol Cytel Alcohol Palmitic Acid PEG-100 Stearate Glyceryl Stearate Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate Nylon-12 Propylene Glycol Beeswax/Cera Alba PCA C13-14 Isoparaffin PGET-20 Stearate Glycogen Honey/Mel Threonine Alteromonas Fement Extract Caffeine Sodium Hyaluronate Sodium Hydroxide Arginine Serine Lysine Hydrochloride Cholesterol Alanine Mannitol Tocopheryl Acetate Sucrose Hydrolyzed Yeast Hydroxypalmitoyl Sphinganine Thermus Thermophillus Ferment Citrulline Laureth-7 Panthenol Histidine Hydrochloride Glutamic Acid Polyacrylamide Polymethyl Methacrylate Acrylates Copolymer Methylparaben Phenoxyethanol Chlorhexidine Digluconate Chlorphenesin Propylparaben Kiehl's Ultra Protection Moisturizing Eye Gel SPF 15 ($29.50/0.5oz): Active Ingrediants: Octinoxate 7.5% Octocrylene 5.0% Oxybenzone 3.0% Other Ingrediants: Water Glycerin Tocopheryl Acetate Retinyl Palmitate Panthenol Carbomer Propylene Glycol Methylparaben Imidazolidinyl Urea Chlorphenesin Ploysorbate-80 Sodium Hyaluronate Malin+Goetz eye moisturizer ($35/0.5oz): Oops, no ingrediants online, but they claim "select ingrediants" Hylauronic Acid Rice Bran (2.0%) Soja protein-amino acids
post #2 of 10
You don't necessarily need a different eye moisturizer.  Many brands simply repackage the exact same moisturizers as specially made for the eye and charge more for them.  There is no rational basis for any moisturizer to be expensive - even the most state-of-the-art moisturizer, full to the brim with antioxidants, is inexpensive to manufacture. The Kiehl's salesperson was feeding you B.S. about supposed "opthamological testing", especially since Kiehl's and its parent company L'Oreal publish the results of no such testing. If your regular moisturizer/sunscreen works well around your eyes, there is no reason not to use it.  If a product contains irritants like menthol though, you shouldn't be using it anywhere on your face, especially not near your eyes. Still, you may want to use a different product near your eyes.  Many people prefer to use a richer moisturizer in that area - but it still doesn't need to be a pricey one marketed for the eyes.  SPF is a great idea, since the eye area skin is so prone to premature aging.  I use a SPF15 moisturizer around my eyes that contains only titanium dioxide and zinc oxide as the active ingredients.  Products with high levels of titanium dioxide and zinc oxide tend to be rather thick and whitish and for that reason I don't like to use them all over my face, but they have much lower risk of causing irritation than other sunscreen active ingredients, so they make for a great option around my eyes.
post #3 of 10
One more thing. The Kiehl's Ultra Protection Moisturizing Eye Gel SPF 15 does not provide effective sun protection. The active ingredients Octinoxate 7.5%,Octocrylene 5.0%, and Oxybenzone 3.0% do not provide adequate UVA protection. SPF 15 or greater equals adequate UVB protection, but you need to read the list of active ingredients to see whether it provides UVA protection. Remember that Kiehl's is a L'Oreal brand. In most of the world L'Oreal is a leader in sunscreens, even owning the patents to some state-of-the-art active sunscreen ingredients. For mysterious reasons though, L'Oreal continues to release new products in the United States that often have outdated sunscreen formulations.
post #4 of 10
Wow, looking at the ingredients of Kiehl's Ultra Protection Moisturizing Eye Gel SPF 15, the price really is a rip-off. For Abyssine's one, I am not sure dumping some amino acids on your face/eyes is gonna to help matters. As to why we need a separate moisturizer for eyes, the arugment is that the skin around the eyes are more delicate and thinner and hence requires a different product. Similar thinking as to why we have to use different moisturizers on body/hands than on face/neck. The most effective ingredients for moisturizing purpose are glycerin and urea.
post #5 of 10
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Yeah, you look at these ingrediants, and nothing jumps out as being worth $60/ounce. I think that Kiehl's brags about amino acids from the bottom of the ocean to make it sounds like they have some high cost harvesting operation. I do find it interesting how different the formulations of these various products are. The main commonality seems to be the price tag. Any particularly good, reasonably priced facial moisturizers? Other than glycerin, are there in fact any other good moisturizing or healing agents I should be looking for. Andrew, it is difficult to find a men's facial product that does not contain menthol. Personally, I like the cooling sensation, but assume that any company who puts it in their product must be using it as a crutch to convince the consumer it is really doing something.
post #6 of 10
A half decent site regarding face products is mensessentials.com. They also have a forum there and there are a lot of people who know a lot about facial products. Interestingly the president of Baxter products is a very frequent poster there. I use Baxter's line of products as well and not only are they a good value for money, they are just good. From what i understand about the reason for needing a different moisturizer for the eye is that the skin around the eye is entirely different from the skin on the rest of your face. It is thinner and more delicate. But I don't think I can answer any of your question regarding ingredients or why you can't use a normal moisturizer (I get the Baxter Super Shape on my eye area all the time and it does me no harm). Try going to mensessentials.com and see what the folk there have to say. Also, the president of the site James Whittal has a whole bunch of short explanatory essays regarding various products, techniques and probelms. There just may be something regarding eye moisturizers. Hope you find what you're looking for. Cheers Denning
post #7 of 10
Just want to add........Cosmetics company use similar arguments when they introduce moisturizer specifically for men. Woman skin tends to be thinner and more delicate, and man skin is "tougher" and less prone to aging. So, maybe a woman facial moisturizer is just right for the area around the eyes for men.
post #8 of 10
i also suggest a visit to menessentials.com as well, a site i've been posting on since its inception, as a good starting place for some basic no nonsense advice having said that, the previous post by denning is correct, the skin in the under the eye area is parchment thin in comparison to the rest of your facial skin and is void of the same capilliaries (i think) as the rest of your face (someone correct me if i'm wrong) anyway, eye specific moisturizers that are ultra rich for ultra nourishment to this area are ideal, hence the suggestion for eye specific moisturizers - you can use your regular moisturizer but it may not be as effective i have used numerous under eye complexes (i really don't suffer from dark circles or puffiness though) and have settled on baxter of california's under eye complex as my main product for the last three years or so now - it's effective for me and inexpensive for the size of the product and as such, i'm very satisfied with it
post #9 of 10
I have used Creme de la Mer, Eye Balm with some success.  It is expensive but seems to be worth it.   Or maybe I just got suckered in when I read it was created by a rocket scientist  
post #10 of 10
Caution should be exercised when considering using an overall facial moisturizer under one's eyes as the skins around and nder your eyes is thinner and generally more sensitive. Several moisturizers actually recommend against using under eyes. A relatively inexpensive but very effective product line, which I use, is the Camocare line, which contains a patented form of camomile that is very soothing to the skin. I am not affiliated with this company, but think highly of it. Creme de la Mer, while originally developed for skin scarring, has been marketed as a miracle skin moisturizer (Allowing its parent, Estee Lauder, to charge astronomical prices for the product line), but many women report harsh effects such as reddening.
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