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post #16 of 59
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Originally Posted by lee_44106 View Post
Interesting observation. It's something that's just done and not questioned, I guess.

If they stop serving bread would people order more food?

I would note that in Italy (and maybe other places), you actually pay for it (pane e coperto)
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It is ludicrous to extend this observation to the French. Bread, cheese, and wine are the culinary trinity.
........ So I next time I go to Alain Ducasse, I will sit down and expect nothing but good ordinary claret, pain de menage and some Roquefort? WTF?
post #18 of 59
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I would note that in Italy (and maybe other places), you actually pay for it (pane e coperto)
True... As I say though, the Italians may 'need' bread. Although I don't know if 1 Euro (the coperto in a 2 Michelin star restaurant in Milan which I ate at) is enough to deter.
post #19 of 59
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As I say though, the Italians may 'need' bread.
Sorry I don't understand why they would need bread more than other cuisines... ?
post #20 of 59
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So I next time I go to Alain Ducasse, I will sit down and expect nothing but good ordinary claret, pain de menage and some Roquefort?
Actually this is not far from what you'd get at his NYC place Adour
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Sorry I don't understand why they would need bread more than other cuisines... ?
Because they are weird people?
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Sorry I don't understand why they would need bread more than other cuisines... ?

Antipasti:
Prosciutto Crudo con Melone

Primi:
Carpaccio di Manzo

Secondi:
Cotoletta alla Milanese

Dolce:
Pesca cotta in camicia

= No carbs, perhaps need bread.
post #23 of 59
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Actually this is not far from what you'd get at his NYC place Adour

Hahah You have to be joking?

Perhaps Ducasse, with his recent expansion (read: world domination), is not the best example.
post #24 of 59
Wha? No carbs in Italian cuisine beyond pasta? Never heard that one before - they use the same carbs as French cuisine (potatoes, beans, etc...) + their own (e.g. polenta). I still don't see why Italian cuisine needs bread while French doesn't.
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Hahah You have to be joking?
Well, it is a wine bar
post #25 of 59
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Wha? No carbs in Italian cuisine beyond pasta? Never heard that one before - they use the same carbs as French cuisine (potatoes, beans, etc...) + their own (e.g. polenta). I still don't see why Italian cuisine needs bread while French doesn't.

Osteria, Trattoria and Retaurants outside Italy may differ, but in a proper Ristorante there won't be carbs in a contorno, it will just be something like spinach, zuccini etc.
Polenta is usually a primi.
Carbs are mostly primi.

As far as I know, I cannot say that many Italians eat potatoes.
post #26 of 59
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No, I am asking why restaurants serve it. Re-read question...



So what?

1. You use a Christian-centric quote, when in fact most of modern western Europe is atheist with the exception of Italy, which I'm ignoring for this question anyway.

2. When you cook at home, do you serve bread 15 minutes before the first course is ready?

We serve bread at every meal in our house.

We also happen to be italian and catholic
post #27 of 59
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As far as I know, I cannot say that many Italians eat potatoes.
Patate Fritte alla Romanesca, Gratin Di Patate, Patate alla Griglia, Passato Di Patate, Patate al Forno alla Lucana, Gnocchi alla Romana (not a primo), Patate Tartufate, Patate Verdi, Patate Lesse, Crocchette Di Patate.... all contorni


Anyhow, you seem persuaded that your little classification in the OP is right and that you just discovered something earth-shattering so I'll leave it at that.
post #28 of 59
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I enjoy eating bread with my meal, unless it's pasta, risotto or some starch-based meal. What I dislike a little is when people throw themselves on the bread basket and eat two rolls covered with butter before the appetizers come out. Not sure why it bugs me but I find that both distasteful and opposite to the objective of going to a restaurant to enjoy a good meal (I can get bread and cheap butter anywhere - why fill myself up with that stuff?)

Interesting, when I met my wife I was spending a lot of time in Italy, and I remember that we had conflicting views - I thought you needed to eat good bread with pasta, and she thought that pasta made the bread redundant. I love eating really good italian rolls or bread with pasta, and using the bread to clean up the sauce.

I'm not thrilled with the bread we get in the US, anyway - not that good bread is unavailable, but I don't drive out to get good bread.
post #29 of 59
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Patate Fritte alla Romanesca, Gratin Di Patate, Patate alla Griglia, Passato Di Patate, Patate al Forno alla Lucana, Gnocchi alla Romana (not a primo), Patate Tartufate, Patate Verdi, Patate Lesse, Crocchette Di Patate.... all contorni


Anyhow, you seem persuaded that your little classification in the OP is right and that you just discovered something earth-shattering so I'll leave it at that.

Haha I did just discover something earth-shattering, either way, I will say that Gnocchi (which I forgot about, potato based!) Is usually a Primi course??

I cannot say I'm sure, but somehow I really doubt any of those dishes being served at proper ristorante... as I say Osteria, Trattoria may differ.
post #30 of 59
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
Interesting, when I met my wife I was spending a lot of time in Italy, and I remember that we had conflicting views - I thought you needed to eat good bread with pasta, and she thought that pasta made the bread redundant. I love eating really good italian rolls or bread with pasta, and using the bread to clean up the sauce.

I'm not thrilled with the bread we get in the US, anyway - not that good bread is unavailable, but I don't drive out to get good bread.

I think your wife is correct as far as Italians are concerned. Italo-american = bread +pasta. I also like to sop up good sauce w/ some bread (vongele, ftw!)
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