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post #31 of 206
so then does that make me disrespectful for 'giving' something up for 40 days? Just given that I am jewish?
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Wow Kyle. That's really quite deep. I've always wondered the same kind of questions. It is my understanding that giving something up for Lent is a means of gaining some kind of understanding of the suffering and sacrifice that Christ endured in our stead. I never understood how not eating meat or drinking soda in anyway equated.

I'm a Lutheran, btw.

I kind of struggle with the deep philosophical meanings as well, and Odoreater's recent posts re: his own fasting experiences have made me reconsider my own perception of what fasting has to do with spiritual improvement. Will I follow in his footsteps? Probably not this time around.

I think a lot of our fasting ritual of today is more a watered-down token of penance designed just to keep people "in the loop" and not to actually incite thought or deep revelations about one's faith.
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post #34 of 206
I didn't understand yachtie's post last night but this thread has clued me in. Guess it's a lent thing.

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See you all 'round Easter- don't burn the place down.
post #35 of 206
So Catholics have a choice in what they give up for lent?

I was raised Greek Orthodox and we aren't given a choice during lent. No meat or dairy products for 40 days.
post #36 of 206
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So Catholics have a choice in what they give up for lent?

I was raised Greek Orthodox and we aren't given a choice during lent. No meat or dairy products for 40 days.
I think the Catholics were subject to the same rules way back when. At least my Catholic childhood friends were. Or their parents were operating under a set of regulations that were no longer in effect.
post #37 of 206
It used to be no meat, now it's just on Fridays.
post #38 of 206
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Originally Posted by kwilkinson View Post
I don't mean to be disrespectful of the way anyone believes, so please don't take it that way, but I do have a question. Do people really think that giving up incredibly inconsequential things for Lent matters? These forty days represent the days that Jesus resisted the temptations of the Devil, when he was at his weakest (if you believe that God can be at his weakest). Lent is meant to honor that incredible sacrifice and to sacrifice something that is as meaningful to you as is possible. It's to prepare you for the joyous occasion of celebrating the death and resurrection of your Savior.
I just have a hard time understanding how some people believe that giving up pop is meaningful in any way (to the person who said pop, this isn't directed at you, it was just an example that always pops up in my head during Lent). I think a much more fitting preparation would be to fast and to pray instead of giving up something entirely meaningless to honor God's gift.
YMMV, and I didn't mean to disrespect anyone, but that is a question that I always have that no Catholic has ever explained to me.

The sacrifice is symbolic, like eating a wafer called the body of Christ.. For most people, the thinking is to really give up something that will be uncomfortable (for example, I should be giving up cigars, but I am not), but it has evolved, like much else in the American practice of Catholicism, into a symbolic gesture designed to be as easy as possible to make..
post #39 of 206
I haven't sacrificed anything during lent for years although a lot of my friends do. What they usually forgo are small things that they take pleasure in- soda and junk food are quite popular actually. Kyle's question is brilliant- and I too have wondered that myself. But then if it is a way for people, specially at this day and age, to learn what sacrifice means then I am all for it. Hmmm... maybe I WILL do this again this year, just have to decide what to forgo. BTW, thanks to Lent we have been enjoying quality German and Belgian beer. Monks brewed their own as nutrition during fasting for Lent.
post #40 of 206
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Please be respectful of this thread. Did you read the original post, or did you just post whatever was in your head without reading anything?

I skimmed it and pretty much...yeah.

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Thanks, parochial school grade 5 smartass
Welcome.

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Quite frankly, I agree with kwilk's post and don't see the point in it. Then again, I'm a non-practicing Roman Catholic. Did my 2 years of classes, got confirmed and then didn't really see the point in religion.

Despite being in a Catholic hospital where they were handing out ash left and right, I didn't bother getting any on my forehead either.
post #41 of 206
No Disrespect meant, please do not take it in any way other than this being a great Lent joke:

"An Irishman moves into a tiny hamlet in County Kerry, walks into the pub and promptly orders three beers. The bartender raises his eyebrows, but serves the man three beers, which he drinks quietly at a table, alone.

An hour later, the man has finished the three beers and orders three more. This happens yet again.

The next evening the man again orders and drinks three beers at a time, several times. Soon the entire town is whispering about the Man Who Orders Three Beers.

Finally, a week later, the bartender broaches the subject on behalf of the town. "I don't mean to pry, but folks around here are wondering why you always order three beers?" 'Tis odd, isn't it?" the man replies, "You see, I have two brothers, and one went to America, and the other to Australia. We promised each other that we would always order an extra two beers whenever we drank as a way of keeping up the family bond."

The bartender and the whole town was pleased with this answer, and soon the Man Who Orders Three Beers became a local celebrity and source of pride to the hamlet, even to the extent that out-of-towners would come to watch him drink.

Then, one day, the man comes in and orders only two beers. The bartender pours them with a heavy heart. This continues for the rest of the evening - he orders only two beers. The word flies around town. Prayers are offered for the soul of one of the brothers.

The next day, the bartender says to the man, "Folks around here, me first of all, want to offer condolences to you for the death of your brother. You know-the two beers and all..."

The man ponders this for a moment, then replies, "You'll be happy to hear that my two brothers are alive and well. It's just that I, meself, have decided to give up drinking for Lent."
post #42 of 206
I think I'll give up being a jerk and being impatient. A student had been trying to get me to go to an InterVarsity meeting on campus. I'd heard good things about it and wanted to but never did. Finally did tonight. Was good. Part of it was a reading and discussion of Acts ch 1. We were to meditate on and discuss passages or words stuck out to us. The one that did most to me was, "but wait..." I read the rest of the ch. through those words. Wait. Wait for the Holy Spirit to descend on you. Wait for the coming Kingdom of God. Wait for the message to reach all the ends of the earth. Wait for the coming again of Jesus. I'm too impatient -- in traffic, at work, personal life, etc. I need to be patient.
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... Do people really think that giving up incredibly inconsequential things for Lent matters? These forty days represent the days that Jesus resisted the temptations of the Devil, when he was at his weakest (if you believe that God can be at his weakest). Lent is meant to honor that incredible sacrifice and to sacrifice something that is as meaningful to you as is possible. It's to prepare you for the joyous occasion of celebrating the death and resurrection of your Savior....
Good thoughts and Qs, K. I think it all matters. You're right that fasting should be a participation for and participation in Christ's temptation, passion, and death. But I think that giving up little things can be important, particularly if those little things mean a great deal to someone. Pop, coke, or what I'd call soft drinks can be little to you or me, but they can be great addictions to people. The way I would connect fasting (even of small things) to preparing for the death and resurrection is this: Jesus is God (or so we believe). Many things in our lives can take the place of God. These things are called idols. They are things we give an inordinate amount of value, time, attention, and other resources to. This can be soda for one, chocolate for another, Styleforum for a third, and impatience for me. If we give up anything that we overvalue, that makes room in our hearts and our lives for God, and it's a great preparation for Easter, imo.
post #43 of 206
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Originally Posted by Dakota rube View Post
I think the Catholics were subject to the same rules way back when. At least my Catholic childhood friends were. Or their parents were operating under a set of regulations that were no longer in effect.

No meat pies at the tuck shop at school for the entire period.
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I guess I would consider myself Baptist. Most member of my family have been baptized, although I have not.
Why wait? Easter's the best time.
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Haven't settled on anything yet. The little one is giving up hot sauce (which is quite meaningful to him). He requests that - instead of giving up something - I perform penance with him in the form of 10 minutes' fielding practice a day. I agreed in principle but drew the line once he started tacking on additional provisions. Will that make me a better Christian? Doubtful...
I'd say probably, and it may make your son a better one. I wish my dad had spent more time playing ball w/ us. I think doing something positive would be just as good as giving up something, and you'll be giving up something else by spending time w/ him. No?

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I gave up Lent.
One year I gave up giving things up for Lent. That can be good, particularly if one thinks of it as a celebration of the good things God has given, a thanksgiving. (btw, when I did that I'd been giving something up each month for a year. So Lent functioned that year like what CBDB said Sundays function as during Lent. Although, I'm not sure that's true...)

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...is it weird if a baptist observes lent?
Neither weird nor bad, imo
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Originally Posted by shoreman1782 View Post
...I think it's funny how people use Lent as a self-help tool. You're supposed to sacrifice for faith, not cut carbs and drop 5 pounds. Better to do some volunteer work or something...
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...As for the self help thing, we're going to think that anything that brings us closer to God, or makes us more God-like is self help, but I know what you mean...
I agree. Spirituality includes all aspects of the self.
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The sacrifice is in and of itself meaningless. What matters is, similar to what you said, to understand the notion of sacrifice and what goes along with it....
Great point. Thanks.
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so then does that make me disrespectful for 'giving' something up for 40 days? Just given that I am jewish?
Not at all. I think it's great.

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The sacrifice is symbolic, like eating a wafer called the body of Christ.
Woah...
post #45 of 206
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The sacrifice is symbolic, like eating a wafer called the body of Christ.

Are you sure you're Catholic? As Catholics, we believe the Eucharist is NOT a symbol. It is the true body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus.
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