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(jmswentworth @ April 26 2005,11:02) Why do I bother to reply to someone who thinks I am stupid? Unwarranted? You are the one who questioned my intellect. I am willing to discuss the matter, but why should I be insulted. You were rude to me, plain and simple. The UK, France, and US are all very close to achieving it. Especially with the vast number of new immigrants to the UK in particular. As the gentry becomes ever stronger, and the Conservative Party ideology becomes more and more of a truth, day by day.(On as side note, the UK may only achieve civilization with the election of The Conservatives, a win for Labor will take us back several rungs on the ladder.). The US is also close to archiving civilisation as a society of upper, middle, and lower class becomes established. However, it is impossible to say that this is the US's own civilisation, today's west could be said to be a Civilisation, no single country, at this stage.
jm, struggling to follow you logic 1. if more new immigrants come to the UK, it may become a "civillization"? please explain logic 2. if conservatives win in UK, it may become "civilization"? please explain 3. whole concept of "gentry" in civillization  - please explain
All points have allready been explained.
post #32 of 93
I will attempt to clarify: 1. If there are more immigrants in the UK, a new society, one that is individual to the UK will be established. 2. I assume you are familiar with the Conservative Party's basic ideologies, if you are, I am sure this point is self-evident. 3. Once again, civilisation refers to society, not culture, thus gentry plays a vital role in a "˜society'. Once again linking back to the immigrant point, if there are more immigrants the gentry gains a stronger role.
post #33 of 93
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I will attempt to clarify: 1. If there are more immigrants in the UK, a new society, one that is individual to the UK will be established. 2. I assume you are familiar with the Conservative Party's basic ideologies, if you are, I am sure this point is self-evident. 3. Once again, civilisation refers to society, not culture, thus gentry plays a vital role in a "˜society'. Once again linking back to the immigrant point, if there are more immigrants the gentry gains a stronger role.
the "society" of england in the 19th and 20th centuries is not distinct enough for you? and, if immigration makes a "society" - what about the US, where almost everybody is descended from an immigrant, and immigrants have come from every corner of the world? why doens't that make a "new society" in your book?
post #34 of 93
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This was in another thread, but I think we could explore this more in depth. What are your signs  of the fall of civilization?
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When historians look at the Decline of the American Empire they will fix the institution of "Casual Fridays" as the turning point - the last nail in the coffin of civilized America.
Another is when waiters and waitresses in resaurants began to don goofy sombreros and sing Happy Birthday to a helpless victim.
The founding of "Streetwear and Denim" forum.
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The founding of "Streetwear and Denim" forum.
Agreed
post #36 of 93
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I will attempt to clarify: 1. If there are more immigrants in the UK, a new society, one that is individual to the UK will be established. 2. I assume you are familiar with the Conservative Party's basic ideologies, if you are, I am sure this point is self-evident. 3. Once again, civilisation refers to society, not culture, thus gentry plays a vital role in a "˜society'. Once again linking back to the immigrant point, if there are more immigrants the gentry gains a stronger role.
Well, this certainly clears things up for me.
post #37 of 93
I say it's the advent of joint bachelor/bachelorette parties.  Seriously, who's the genius who came up with this one?  For one, it already exists -- it's called a "wedding shower."  While I like women as much as the next guy, and am generally in favor of integrating all-male institutions, some things need to be off limits.
post #38 of 93
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Ah Chaser, reminds me of another end of the world practice. Men attending baby showers. Just not happening. Wife knows I'm not going and to decline on my behalf. It's bad enough that I had to show up at the birth of my own child rather than sit in the waiting room and hand out cigars as in days gone past, now I'm expected to relish in pregnancy of family, friends and acquaintances. I've heard horror stories about what takes place there. One "game" consisted of guessing how many times you could go around the belly of the expectant mother with a roll of Charmin and then doing it to see who wins.
post #39 of 93
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(jmswentworth @ April 26 2005,11:29) I will attempt to clarify: 1. If there are more immigrants in the UK, a new society, one that is individual to the UK will be established. 2. I assume you are familiar with the Conservative Party's basic ideologies, if you are, I am sure this point is self-evident. 3. Once again, civilisation refers to society, not culture, thus gentry plays a vital role in a "˜society'. Once again linking back to the immigrant point, if there are more immigrants the gentry gains a stronger role.
the "society" of england in the 19th and 20th centuries is not distinct enough for you? and, if immigration makes a "society" - what about the US, where almost everybody is descended from an immigrant, and immigrants have come from every corner of the world? why doens't that make a "new society" in your book?
Not in my book; its actually common knowledge. I have already stated the British society of 18th / 19th century means nothing, because it was simply a derivation of Wessex. Immigration makes a society because it enforces the requisition of the gentry and aristocracy. If a country has no gentry, or they kill off the gentry, there is no possibility of immigration re-enforcing this. Please attend some history classes if you covet to further your knowledge on the topic.
post #40 of 93
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(globetrotter @ April 26 2005,11:36)
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Originally Posted by jmswentworth,April 26 2005,11:29
I will attempt to clarify: 1. If there are more immigrants in the UK, a new society, one that is individual to the UK will be established. 2. I assume you are familiar with the Conservative Party's basic ideologies, if you are, I am sure this point is self-evident. 3. Once again, civilisation refers to society, not culture, thus gentry plays a vital role in a "˜society'. Once again linking back to the immigrant point, if there are more immigrants the gentry gains a stronger role.
the "society" of england in the 19th and 20th centuries is not distinct enough for you? and, if immigration makes a "society" - what about the US, where almost everybody is descended from an immigrant, and immigrants have come from every corner of the world? why doens't that make a "new society" in your book?
Not in my book; its actually common knowledge. I have already stated the British society of 18th / 19th century means nothing, because it was simply a derivation of Wessex. Immigration makes a society because it enforces the requisition of the gentry and aristocracy. If a country has no gentry, or they kill off the gentry, there is no possibility of immigration re-enforcing this. Please attend some history classes if you covet to further your knowledge on the topic.
this certainly makes sense, now. and how about beduin civilization - can you explain what makes that a civilization?
post #41 of 93
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Immigration makes a society because it enforces the requisition of the gentry and aristocracy. If a country has no gentry, or they kill off the gentry, there is no possibility of immigration re-enforcing this.
WTF? Do you even know the meaning of the words you're using? The requisition of the gentry? Do we go down to the PX and fill out a form? c'mon Avnish, you're lowering my high opinion of Westminster.
post #42 of 93
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(jmswentworth @ April 26 2005,13:02) Immigration makes a society because it enforces the requisition of the gentry and aristocracy. If a country has no gentry, or they kill off the gentry, there is no possibility of immigration re-enforcing this.
WTF?  Do you even know the meaning of the words you're using?  The requisition of the gentry?  Do we go down to the PX and fill out a form? c'mon Avnish, you're lowering my high opinion of Westminster.
Requisition = request = call for The public will request the gentry to be more prevalent, makes sense to me. I do not understand the second part of your post.
post #43 of 93
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(jmswentworth @ April 26 2005,13:02)
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Originally Posted by globetrotter,April 26 2005,11:36
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Originally Posted by jmswentworth,April 26 2005,11:29
I will attempt to clarify: 1. If there are more immigrants in the UK, a new society, one that is individual to the UK will be established. 2. I assume you are familiar with the Conservative Party's basic ideologies, if you are, I am sure this point is self-evident. 3. Once again, civilisation refers to society, not culture, thus gentry plays a vital role in a "˜society'. Once again linking back to the immigrant point, if there are more immigrants the gentry gains a stronger role.
the "society" of england in the 19th and 20th centuries is not distinct enough for you? and, if immigration makes a "society" - what about the US, where almost everybody is descended from an immigrant, and immigrants have come from every corner of the world? why doens't that make a "new society" in your book?
Not in my book; its actually common knowledge. I have already stated the British society of 18th / 19th century means nothing, because it was simply a derivation of Wessex. Immigration makes a society because it enforces the requisition of the gentry and aristocracy. If a country has no gentry, or they kill off the gentry, there is no possibility of immigration re-enforcing this. Please attend some history classes if you covet to further your knowledge on the topic.
this certainly makes sense, now. and how about beduin civilization - can you explain what makes that a civilization?
Bedouin is close to/is a civilisation because there is a distinct social order in their society, and there are obvious classes, leaders etc. Sure, in terms of culture and technology, they are nowhere, but they are a civilisation in the strictest sense.
post #44 of 93
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(globetrotter @ April 26 2005,13:06)
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Originally Posted by jmswentworth,April 26 2005,13:02
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Originally Posted by globetrotter,April 26 2005,11:36
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Originally Posted by jmswentworth,April 26 2005,11:29
I will attempt to clarify: 1. If there are more immigrants in the UK, a new society, one that is individual to the UK will be established. 2. I assume you are familiar with the Conservative Party's basic ideologies, if you are, I am sure this point is self-evident. 3. Once again, civilisation refers to society, not culture, thus gentry plays a vital role in a "˜society'. Once again linking back to the immigrant point, if there are more immigrants the gentry gains a stronger role.
the "society" of england in the 19th and 20th centuries is not distinct enough for you? and, if immigration makes a "society" - what about the US, where almost everybody is descended from an immigrant, and immigrants have come from every corner of the world? why doens't that make a "new society" in your book?
Not in my book; its actually common knowledge. I have already stated the British society of 18th / 19th century means nothing, because it was simply a derivation of Wessex. Immigration makes a society because it enforces the requisition of the gentry and aristocracy. If a country has no gentry, or they kill off the gentry, there is no possibility of immigration re-enforcing this. Please attend some history classes if you covet to further your knowledge on the topic.
this certainly makes sense, now. and how about beduin civilization - can you explain what makes that a civilization?
Bedouin is close to/is a civilisation because there is a distinct social order in their society, and there are obvious classes, leaders etc. Sure, in terms of culture and technology, they are nowhere, but they are a civilisation in the strictest sense.
You are making less and less sense as this thread continues. The US, UK, etc. certainly have identifiable social classes and leaders - why aren't they civilized? Can you give us a coherent, one paragraph definition of "civilization" as you understand the term?
post #45 of 93
ok, well it was fun playing along, but I think that you might want to run back to your dorm room and your fantasies now. should you graduate high school, and maybe get a little education into you, maybe we can have this talk again.
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