The Weight Loss Muscle Gain Source

Originally Posted by cchen

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I did Vdiet 1.0 and some things are different in 3.0 but the basic principal is the same

You could technically spend less if you wanted to use a different protein powder for the shakes. I think Optimum Nutrition or Isopure would work equally fine, since the nutrional value is pretty much the same.

It's very difficult to follow strictly, especially for someone who loves food as much as me. But, it does work, and works very well. I still do 1-2 shakes a day and then 2-3 healthy meals. Some days I do all shakes if I don't have time or any other food and it's been fine.


I have done the 100% strict diet before and I find it easier than the mix and match stuff, as you can turn your brain off - and think about wether i can or can not eat something. But I am a black and white kind of guy. The real trick with these diets is how you transition back to regular food.

Originally Posted by thekunk07

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+2. most people don;t even have the discipline to lay off garbage, let alone follow the v-diet to a t.

Its easier to just drink shakes imo. Choice leads to cheating which leads to binging.

I didn't start this thread to open a debate about other ways that might work or why people (who haven't even done it) think it might not work. I started this thread to inform people who WANT to lost weight and gain muscle that this method DOES work and the resources are easy to access.

If you are 5'9" and 215 I'd guaranty you'll lose 10lbs (easy) in 28 days, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was 20lbs or more. Then another month after that you'll be in complete control and be able to manage to whatever weight you want to be at.

The info is all there for whoever wants it.

I think this is a better guide to building muscle and losing fat: http://stronglifts.com/exercise-guid...ough-exercise/

It's the same philosophy advocated by Starr/Pendlay/Ripptoe and other Olympic weightlifting coaches: focus on the core exercises of Squat, Bench, Clean (and maybe Deadlift).

Originally Posted by fredfred

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I didn't start this thread to open a debate about other ways that might work or why people (who haven't even done it) think it might not work. I started this thread to inform people who WANT to lost weight and gain muscle that this method DOES work and the resources are easy to access.

If you are 5'9" and 215 I'd guaranty you'll lose 10lbs (easy) in 28 days, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was 20lbs or more. Then another month after that you'll be in complete control and be able to manage to whatever weight you want to be at.

The info is all there for whoever wants it.

Is it filled with snippets of Shugart's former fat boy self-loathing coupled with power words? It'd be pretty cool if it was.

You'd be better served reading this: Baseline Diet - part 1

lefty

Originally Posted by sithroya

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I am 5'9 and 215 pounds.. (18 years old) how much weight you think I will lose with this? I think i will get it next month. it will cost me 585 bucks, but i spend around 10 dollars on food anyways so i guess its not too bad eh? thanks

I am back. To give unadulterated, truthful, no BS advice as usual.

1. Based on your weight, you are 30 to 50 pounds overweight, depending on your bone structure and how you are built.

2. You have to ask yourself, how did you get to that stage. Do you have the self discipline to skip or reduce your meals? Can you do this non-stop for months on an end. If the answer is no, then I think you would lose 10 to 20 pounds at the most and gain it back shortly. No kidding.

3. I am not saying you are a no-hope case. I am saying such quick fixes probably aint for you.

Originally Posted by beasty

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I am back. To give unadulterated, truthful, no BS advice as usual.

1. Based on your weight, you are 30 to 50 pounds overweight, depending on your bone structure and how you are built.

2. You have to ask yourself, how did you get to that stage. Do you have the self discipline to skip or reduce your meals? Can you do this non-stop for months on an end. If the answer is no, then I think you would lose 10 to 20 pounds at the most and gain it back shortly. No kidding.

3. I am not saying you are a no-hope case. I am saying such quick fixes probably aint for you.

I am 100% dedicated to doing this, what was my results be if i follow it step by step?

Originally Posted by sithroya

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I am 100% dedicated to doing this, what was my results be if i follow it step by step?

You will drop a ton of fat, then put it back on when you stop.

At 18 you're pretty much a muscle building/fat losing machine and you don't need anything this extreme to see the results you're after.

Start working out with any of the suggested programs/books from the more sane posters here. Try and eat more decent food than ****** food, but don't freak out about the ****** food. Get outside and do something. See where you are in 6 months.

lefty

Originally Posted by lefty

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You will drop a ton of fat, then put it back on when you stop.

At 18 you're pretty much a muscle building/fat losing machine and you don't need anything this extreme to see the results you're after.

Start working out with any of the suggested programs/books from the more sane posters here. Try and eat more decent food than ****** food, but don't freak out about the ****** food. Get outside and do something. See where you are in 6 months.

lefty

Agreed. Just think about getting enough protein, eating lots of vegetables, and cut back on the bread, grains and pasta. A bit of sugar periworkout but don't overdo it. If you eat right and lift heavy you'll see pretty good results soon

Originally Posted by lefty

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You will drop a ton of fat, then put it back on when you stop.

At 18 you're pretty much a muscle building/fat losing machine and you don't need anything this extreme to see the results you're after.

Start working out with any of the suggested programs/books from the more sane posters here. Try and eat more decent food than ****** food, but don't freak out about the ****** food. Get outside and do something. See where you are in 6 months.

lefty

how exactly will i gain it back? will i just lose water weight? sorry for so much question.

sithroya, what he's trying to tell you is that it has to be a lifestyle change, it can't just be a quick-fix magical solution.

The V-Diet will give you the weight loss you need, but it's not teaching you the healthy habits to maintain that weight in the long run. Lefty's argument is that it'd be better to make gradual changes to your diet, so that they become lifestyle changes, not a diet. Your new diet should be one that you can keep permanent, not one that encourages yo-yo dieting.

yeah, and the V-diet isn't meant to be held for your whole life because there's that whole "transition period" fixed in that's supposed to get you back to healthy normal eating. It by definition is not a permanent change you should make to your lifestyle. At best it will start you on the way, then you have to figure out how to take that $585 you were spending on biotest supplements and spend it on healthy food instead. It'll be tough if you don't have good lifestyle habits set in place.

Originally Posted by robertorex

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yeah, and the V-diet isn't meant to be held for your whole life because there's that whole "transition period" fixed in that's supposed to get you back to healthy normal eating. It by definition is not a permanent change you should make to your lifestyle. At best it will start you on the way, then you have to figure out how to take that $585 you were spending on biotest supplements and spend it on healthy food instead. It'll be tough if you don't have good lifestyle habits set in place.
i thanks everyone for thier support, I have been going to the gym for 1 year now, but i see very slow weight loss even with a diet of under 1600 calories. I checked my scale again last night and was 205 so infact I am losing weight but I need a push. I hope I can lose 15-25 with this in the 28 days thanks I will order this later today! *EDIT just ordered it with 3 days shipping Wish me Luck!

Originally Posted by sithroya

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how exactly will i gain it back? will i just lose water weight? sorry for so much question.

The hardest part of any diet is maintenance.

Seriously, kid, I get that you're sick of being a fat guy and want to do something about it, but you're in danger of over thinking the hell out of this and turning into a t-nation/bb.com fuckhead waking himself up at three in the morning to eat 113 gms of cottage cheese so as not to go catabolic.

So, three quick helpful hints.

1) pick up heavy things and move them from here to there. There are these places called gyms chock-full of heavy things. Join one.

2) eat some fuckin' food. And by fuckin' food I mean get enough protein for your goals, take efa's (fish oil), eat vegetables and fruits, get some fibre and fill the rest of your meals with whatever the hell you want. You're going to put you body through a lot of stress in the next year or so and it will need Twinkies as well as chicken and broccoli.

3) go outside. I don't care if you walk, run, swim, tiptoe through the tulips or climb trees to peek into the window of the hot neighbourhood MILF . Just spend a couple of days outside every week. Eventually you will find something that you like doing and are good at. And to make it even better there are cool things outside like birds, sunsets and women with long legs and brains. At 18 the world is this mystical place that spreads out from your front door in infinite directions looking up at you and saying, "step here."

In six months look at where you are and reassess.

The rest, son, is pretty much bullshit.

lefty

just ordered it with 3 days shipping Wish me Luck!

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Damn ... too late.

Originally Posted by *Pee*

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i cant believe anyone would go on a this diet.You can eat cardboard for a month and lose weight

liquid protein diets are just not heathy,as can they really **** up your digestive system


losing weight is so simple,but most of you guys are just lazy *****

It's a short term diet in which all nutrients are covered. Nothing unhealthy about it. The diet doesn't advocate doing this for the rest of your life.

Also, WTF at everyone deriding the idea of short term extreme diets. They're not meant to be a permanent solution and yeah, you will gain the weight back if you go back to your ****** eating habits just like every single other diet on the planet. If you have the tenacity to drill through one of the well thought out extreme diets I don't see why you wouldn't go for it.