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post #31 of 68
The Moderator has spoken. My apologies for submitting an insipid Gap recommendation. I'll dig out my closet and punish myself by wearing some acid washed Guess jeans this week (plus the ribbed swirly sweater). That'll keep the fashion police happy. PS/- Renault78law, you're on your own mate.
post #32 of 68
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APC proves that you can get attention by looking great without having D&G monogrammed all over your jeans. GAP proves that you don't want attention, you've never in your life wanted attention in your life, and that along with liking bland jeans that only come from a history of blandness, you just might be a bland person yourself.
I don't know Brian. While I don't wear Gap jeans, and don't intend to, based on the same prejudiced you have, I don't think that liking GAP jeans in and of itself implies anything about a person's character. Context is everything. In fact, I would say that a real denimhead, (of which many of us are), who buys and wears GAP jeans irregardless that they are considered crap by his (or her, but most denimfreaks are guys) peers and who actually doesn't give a damn that it's not 5EPs, Corpus, APC, or whatever, is a guy with some real balls. This is analogous to the arguments I make repeatedly on the main forum to buck the rules, except that the rules here are less formal and made up by a bunch of people who would say that they hate rules, but live and judge by them nonetheless. In the same way that I would say that it's fine, even cool, to wear a tux (sorry, dinner jacket) with flapped pockets and single vents with a four-in-hand tie, as long as you can pull it off, and screw Flusser and his rules and his crappy haircut, you can wear GAP jeans with a Polo belt. There is only one condition - you've got to rock your own style, not be following whatever some book (Flusser, Roetzel, Manton) or the latest copy of Black Book tells you is *proper* or *cool*. Rant ended.
post #33 of 68
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The Moderator has spoken. My apologies for submitting an insipid Gap recommendation. I'll dig out my closet and punish myself by wearing some acid washed Guess jeans this week (plus the ribbed swirly sweater). That'll keep the fashion police happy. PS/- Renault78law, you're on your own mate.
You should read both moderators comments. But I would like to see those Guess jeans. With the swirling sweater. Let your freak flag flag high today.
post #34 of 68
[quote=LA Guy,April 25 2005,08:09]
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In fact, I would say that a real denimhead, (of which many of us are), who buys and wears GAP jeans irregardless that they are considered crap by his (or her, but most denimfreaks are guys) peers and who actually doesn't give a damn that it's not 5EPs, Corpus, APC, or whatever, is a guy with some real balls.  
I'm not sure if I qualify as a denimhead, but I wear GAP jeans on occaision. To paraphrase my philosophy teacher, "(denim) snobbery is born out of ignorance".  
post #35 of 68
Okay 1) I'm a moderator, but it has no bearing on the weight of my opinion. 2) I TRIED to make a disclaimer by saying I'm exaggerating. I didn't think you guys would take it so seriously, the claims about "you don't want attention, you've never wanted attention, etc." were meant to be a joke. Sorry if you were offended. Nice anecdote from your prof, ringring, but I think snobbery can also be borne out of boredom after knowing enough about a certain subject that you need something to feel extreme about. The denim quality on the GAPs may be good, and the details are neat like the mis-matched buttons and selvage in the coin pocket, but it's the culture of GAP (basically, cultureless) that turns me off the most, and I think this is translated in the cut. I've tried them on - they look pretty good on me, but they do scream GAP. There is an importance in brand history and culture - ask any Levi's freak.
post #36 of 68
Okay, everybody chill out or else we'll end up like the Men's Clothing forums That would suck.
post #37 of 68
There is an importance in brand history and culture - ask any Levi's freak. I'll drink to that all right. I wonder how GAPs history compares to APC and Nudie? Hey mods, things are pretty chilled at my end. I guess those winky smilies just aren't winky or smiley enough LOL. They need a tongue-firmly-in-cheek smiley. You guys have my full respect, even if you don't wear GAP lol.
post #38 of 68
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I'll drink to that all right. I wonder how GAPs history compares to APC and Nudie?
What are you thinking, LA Guy? Does this thread need to be locked and ringring banned? RR, no one's gettin out of hand here (thankfully) - the main Clothing forum has been a mess of drama recently and we're all pretty cautious about this turning upside down and having 44 page threads about the appropriateness of black jeans. Well I'm not so sure on the history of Nudie to be honest, but Jean Touitou's work ideals and how he carries his brand is pretty amazing, really. It seems he likes to force people into things such lower-rise jeans and narrow jackets, and instead of being the one on dragging onto the back end other dying fashion trends and then releasing them years later, he does it to his own beat. APC is pretty disconnected styling-wise from the rest of the world of clothing in that same price range. Much moreso than Nudie (their obsession with vintage-treated t-shirts and crap-quality belts boggles me).
post #39 of 68
APC has great history and Jean Touitou deserves real credit for his line and limiting the distribution of it so that he had tight control over the direction of the line. Although he was derided originally as a French Gap, I think that this has been definitively been proven to be untrue. Nudie, on the other hand, while it makes great denim, is just an opportunistic brand leaping onto several bandwagons at the same time, both the distressed and the raw trends in denim, and the whole big belt buckle and vintage teeshirt thing that originated in California (well, this time around anyway.) Just check out who the founders of Nudie are. Brands like Corpus Denim and Carpe Denim, which were founded by denim enthusiasts and not by savvy industry execs, are a lot closer to APC and deserve much more respect than Nudie in terms of "history". Of course, Paper Denim, and to a lesser degree, Seven, were really the pioneer brands that broke open the processed, lux denim market that had been fermenting under (Diesel and Replay) long before that. Levis, Lee's, and Wrangler deserve a class all their own.
post #40 of 68
We need a dedicated denim forum somewhere (here or sf).
post #41 of 68
Props to Touitou and Erixon. My question regarding the histories of GAP, APC and Nudie was, I guess, rhetorical. The point I was trying to make was that GAP's history is at least as long (started by husband & wife team from one shop in '69) and distinguished as the other two brands mentioned. (APC started in '87, Nudie in 2001). Personally, I find a lot of merit in clothing that doesn't demand attention - and for me, that includes APC & Nudie jeans. It's a nice change from Vivian Westwood and Dolce & Gabbana Brian - definitely no offense taken, and I hope likewise on your part.
post #42 of 68
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...... Personally, I find a lot of merit in clothing that doesn't demand attention - and for me, that includes APC & Nudie jeans. It's a nice change from Vivian Westwood and Dolce & Gabbana     ....
ring-ring, I appreciate your great knowledge over at Superfuture. Don't you think that Nudie has gone overboard though with their constant harping on "living fabric", and how they are the one's who UNDERSTAND denim?
post #43 of 68
T4phage Thanks   Regarding Nudie, I've not noticed anything particularly overboard about their marketing. I've not noticed any claims to be THE brand that understands denim. Got a link?
post #44 of 68
I went to the APC store here in Manhattan and tried the standards, those must have been the most hideous pair of jeans I have EVER tried on. Fit like a pair of waders, rise must have been 20" it seemed.
post #45 of 68
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T4phage Thanks   Regarding Nudie, I've not noticed anything particularly overboard about their marketing. I've not noticed any claims to be THE brand that understands denim. Got a link?
It's more of an undercurrent you feel when reading their website/brochures, or when you visit a denim store with staff who are Nudie converts, you end up hearing the "gospel according to Nudie".
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