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post #46 of 64
Has this been shared yet? A must see for those having problems with their new electronics.
post #47 of 64
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While I see the virtues (and flaws) of copyright law...I will have to chime in here and say that you are in fact wrong.

I create plenty of art for myself without ever thinking I might get paid for it and I know others who do the same thing in mediums I have no talent for. If there was no commercial art at all, I would probably be inclined to make MORE art myself since I couldn't buy things I liked...

The money certainly helps, but most great artists did not think about the money when they started...
I hardly think that you are at the Talent level of Madonna or Leonardo da Vinci.

I cannot make anyone stop stealing but I am surprised this forum would support it.
post #48 of 64
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I hardly think that you are at the Talent level of Madonna or Leonardo da Vinci.

I cannot make anyone stop stealing but I am surprised this forum would support it.

Ugh, are you still on this? Since you brought up da Vinci in such a condescending fashion, I'm going to have to point out the error in your ways.

Did Leonardo da Vinci charge admission to see his artwork? No, he did not. He got paid because patrons comissioned him to make art for them.

So when you go and see the Mona Lisa, do you pay royalties to da Vinci's estate? Nope, and you wouldn't have had to do so even the year after it was painted. Viewing art is not stealing it, STEALING art is stealing it. If you view the Mona Lisa, everyone else can still go and see it. If you STEAL the Mona Lisa, no one else can go and see it. Do you see where this is going?
post #49 of 64
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Do you see where this is going?

No, he doesn't. Comprehension is theft.
post #50 of 64
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Ugh, are you still on this? Since you brought up da Vinci in such a condescending fashion, I'm going to have to point out the error in your ways.

Did Leonardo da Vinci charge admission to see his artwork? No, he did not. He got paid because patrons comissioned him to make art for them.

So when you go and see the Mona Lisa, do you pay royalties to da Vinci's estate? Nope, and you wouldn't have had to do so even the year after it was painted. Viewing art is not stealing it, STEALING art is stealing it. If you view the Mona Lisa, everyone else can still go and see it. If you STEAL the Mona Lisa, no one else can go and see it. Do you see where this is going?
If there are no laws that protect intellectual property why should someone or group of someone's come up with a cure for cancer?

See where this is going?
post #51 of 64
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Has this been shared yet? A must see for those having problems with their new electronics.

I can't watch that movie because my very own stupid fucking piece of shit router goes to god damn slow.
post #52 of 64
LINKSYS WRT54GL - the old reliable, and with it's popularity you shouldn't have any problem finding a solution to any issue.
post #53 of 64
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Only partly true. The older wifi routers are total workhorses. 2.4GHz kind of sucks in general because it won't go through water and gets blocked by trees, it can also get interference from microwaves and all that. However, if you aren't in an apartment complex, this shouldn't be too much of an issue. I attribute the suckiness to 2 things: 1) faster throughput is inherently more tempermental 2) companies trying to save money by hiring crappy programmers. Places like library universities almost surely use Cisco products, which are way too expensive for the average home user.
802.11g is 2.4ghz, so i don't know what you are getting at there about older routers being better... The fundamental problem with wireless is interference. Cisco routers aren't immune to it. They still use CSMA/CD to avoid collisions. It's a standard. Cisco doesn't use some special cisco voodoo there. The networks work better simply because they achieve better coverage through proper access point placement and they design their coverage so that the wrong channels don't overlap. They also have different types of antennas that can provide better coverage over certain volumetric shapes, but the main thing is coverage and non-overlapping channels. And by virtue of the fact that the university typically owns the whole building, there are generally no other wireless networks causing problems. They don't have to worry about someone else using channel 11 in the same volume of space as one of their access points like you do in an apartment building or most other places. Edit: I should point out that 1,6,11 are non-overlapping with each other. They still overlap with other channels. however, they are you best bet, as most wireless routers will ship using one of these channels as the default. Of course, if your neighbor is using something like channel 5 or 7 when you're on 6, it could still fuck with your chi.
post #54 of 64
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Originally Posted by GQgeek View Post
Guys, fwiw, the reason wireless sucks is that you can't control what channels your neighbors use. Most channels interfere with each other. If someone in the downstairs apartment is moving around with a wifi phone, or a laptop, and it's broadcasting on the same channel as you, you've got mobile interference that can move around. This is why it will be fine sometimes, and other times you won't even be able to connect. The weather can screw you up too.
Only partly true. The older wifi routers are total workhorses. 2.4GHz kind of sucks in general because it won't go through water and gets blocked by trees, it can also get interference from microwaves and all that. However, if you aren't in an apartment complex, this shouldn't be too much of an issue. I attribute the suckiness to 2 things: 1) faster throughput is inherently more tempermental 2) companies trying to save money by hiring crappy programmers. Places like library universities almost surely use Cisco products, which are way too expensive for the average home user.
post #55 of 64
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Originally Posted by tiecollector View Post
Only partly true. The older wifi routers are total workhorses. 2.4GHz kind of sucks in general because it won't go through water and gets blocked by trees, it can also get interference from microwaves and all that. However, if you aren't in an apartment complex, this shouldn't be too much of an issue. I attribute the suckiness to 2 things: 1) faster throughput is inherently more tempermental 2) companies trying to save money by hiring crappy programmers. Places like library universities almost surely use Cisco products, which are way too expensive for the average home user.
802.11g is 2.4ghz, so i don't know what you are getting at there about older routers being better... The fundamental problem with wireless is interference. Cisco routers aren't immune to it. They still use CSMA/CD to avoid collisions. It's a standard. Cisco doesn't use some special cisco voodoo there. The networks work better simply because they achieve better coverage through proper access point placement and they design their coverage so that the wrong channels don't overlap. They also have different types of antennas that can provide better coverage over certain volumetric shapes, but the main thing is coverage and non-overlapping channels. And by virtue of the fact that the university typically owns the whole building, there are generally no other wireless networks causing problems. They don't have to worry about someone else using channel 11 in the same volume of space as one of their access points like you do in an apartment building or most other places.
post #56 of 64
In my experience, the routers just stop working after X amount of time, sometimes very dependably undependable. This is due to companies cutting corners. The older Prism chips were awesome and it was all downhill after they quit using them. The overlapping channels can certainly be an issue, no doubt about it, however, I used to run a WISP and ran both 802.11b and 802.11g and for some reason the 802.11b was infinitely more dependable even in a crowded college apartment complex. From the furthest point out 802.11b with Prism chipsets would slow down at times but never drop connections, ever. 2.4GHz is just a really crappy frequency to be running wifi at and I think companies probably did that to prevent ease of sharing. I liked 802.11a much better.
post #57 of 64
Any new products on the market that would be able to reach an upstairs floor and the basement of a house? The computers would all be brand new so they'd have recent wifi cards. I really am not going to "hack" anything or whatever it is you people with extra time do. Someone told me to look into a dual band router and possibly the airport to save myself the headache but I'd rather not spend that much on this.
post #58 of 64
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Any new products on the market that would be able to reach an upstairs floor and the basement of a house? The computers would all be brand new so they'd have recent wifi cards. I really am not going to "hack" anything or whatever it is you people with extra time do. Someone told me to look into a dual band router and possibly the airport to save myself the headache but I'd rather not spend that much on this.

A router with two antennas, adding DIY parabolic reflectors and pointing one up and another down should work.
post #59 of 64
I hate to be a Mac fanboy, but my Apple Time Capsule is awesome - I've been using it for a year and have had literally NO problems with it.

DH
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I hate to be a Mac fanboy, but my Apple Time Capsule is awesome - I've been using it for a year and have had literally NO problems with it.

DH

Apparently many of them die after a year or so, but I am hoping this has been sorted out. If it works like it`s supposed to, it is really awesome.
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