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post #1 of 17
2/13/09 at 2:43pm
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I have been using the same trainer for several years and for the first time that I can recall he used a technique he called reverse training. Weakening the smaller muscles and then recruiting the bigger muscles to "blast the little ones into oblivion." Here is what I mean:
  • cable bicep curl followed by pulldown (underhand) and finished off with a machine bicep curl.
  • supplied resistance deltoid raises (he pushes down on my arms as I try to raise and lower them) followed by shoulder presses and then tricep presses
  • leg extensions (knee) followed by squats followed by holding a static seated position
It was just to mix things up, but what do you fitness nuts think of this?
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post #2 of 17
2/13/09 at 2:49pm
A way to mix things up. It's bodybuilder/meathead logic.
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post #3 of 17
2/13/09 at 2:54pm
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A way to mix things up.

It's bodybuilder/meathead logic.

Please elaborate.
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post #4 of 17
2/13/09 at 7:55pm
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Please elaborate.
It's a 'pump' mentality. People feel like they're going to get huge because their muscles are more worked and they feel like they did more. Training doesn't really work that way -- the somatic nervous system has many inner workings but tissue growth isn't one of them.
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post #5 of 17
2/13/09 at 9:32pm
I don't like it. The idea seems odd to me, although it depends on how much you are loading each exercise.
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post #6 of 17
2/13/09 at 11:45pm
sounds like pre-exhaustion, a "weider principle" which probably renders it worthless.
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post #7 of 17
2/14/09 at 2:25am
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Originally Posted by why View Post
It's a 'pump' mentality. People feel like they're going to get huge because their muscles are more worked and they feel like they did more. Training doesn't really work that way -- the somatic nervous system has many inner workings but tissue growth isn't one of them.

You don't know anything do you? You are babbling just for the sake of babbling.
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post #8 of 17
2/14/09 at 2:36am
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sounds like pre-exhaustion, a "weider principle" which probably renders it worthless.

2 and 3 is pre exhaust. 1 aint. Unless 1 is treated as a biceps workout.
You dont hammer your arms before you work your major muscle parts.
That would ensure your major muscle parts wont be pushed to the limits.
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post #9 of 17
2/14/09 at 2:42am
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post
I have been using the same trainer for several years and for the first time that I can recall he used a technique he called reverse training. Weakening the smaller muscles and then recruiting the bigger muscles to "blast the little ones into oblivion." Here is what I mean:
  • cable bicep curl followed by pulldown (underhand) and finished off with a machine bicep curl.
  • supplied resistance deltoid raises (he pushes down on my arms as I try to raise and lower them) followed by shoulder presses and then tricep presses
  • leg extensions (knee) followed by squats followed by holding a static seated position
It was just to mix things up, but what do you fitness nuts think of this?

What your trainer is teaching you is fine. No worries unless your trainer is Why. If so, run. The other way.
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post #10 of 17
2/14/09 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by why View Post
A way to mix things up.

It's bodybuilder/meathead logic.

You know nothing about pre-exhaust, you know nothing about lunges, do you support superset as a training method? And you are what? An instructor with a 'fitness studio'? You have some sort of fitness education?

Ban me? Ban you!
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post #11 of 17
2/15/09 at 2:06pm
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2 and 3 is pre exhaust. 1 aint. Unless 1 is treated as a biceps workout.
You dont hammer your arms before you work your major muscle parts.
That would ensure your major muscle parts wont be pushed to the limits.

The point was not to exhaust the major muscle groups at all. As I said, he wanted to recruit the major muscle groups to completely exhaust the minor ones.
Two comments:
two days later, I can still feel fatigue in my biceps, which is not usual; and
this is not our normal training routine, it is something he has done with me this one time.
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post #12 of 17
2/15/09 at 3:35pm
^^^ I can't believe I'm saying this, but in Beastys defense he actually said that it would ensure major muscles won't be exhausted.
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post #13 of 17
2/15/09 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post
Two comments:
two days later, I can still feel fatigue in my biceps, which is not usual; and
this is not our normal training routine, it is something he has done with me this one time.

The unusual fatique that you have in your biceps is from returning to post on this forum after an extended hiatus.

- B
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post #14 of 17
2/15/09 at 10:20pm
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The point was not to exhaust the major muscle groups at all. As I said, he wanted to recruit the major muscle groups to completely exhaust the minor ones.
Two comments:
two days later, I can still feel fatigue in my biceps, which is not usual; and
this is not our normal training routine, it is something he has done with me this one time.

TYpo. I meant to say it would ensure major muscle group is exhausted.
That the point of pre-exhaust.
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post #15 of 17
2/16/09 at 12:10am
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Originally Posted by beasty View Post
TYpo. I meant to say it would ensure major muscle group is exhausted.
That the point of pre-exhaust.

Well that was not the point of this particular regimen was to work the small groups to exhaustion, not the large groups. The large groups were used to exhaust the little muscles but they didn't get exhausted themselves.
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